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Discussion id : 112-906
most recent 5 SEP HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 5 SEP by Alexday
I can't help but wonder, why can some roses only go by one name, and yet some like this one have over seven?!! I would really hope that one of the great rose hybridizers of all time 'Francis Meilland' would have a rose all too himself, but unfortunately his rose also goes by 'pretty woman', 'Alexandre Pouchkine', etc. It's just kind of annoying to me, to see someone having shared pics of this rose as something else, when I always thought it was just dedicated to the great Francis Meilland.

Nonetheless, a great fragrant rose that deserves a spot in any garden. It is very tall and vigorous, with just few thorns. I love this rose the most when the centers are more apricot, and the outer petals white, just soo refined!
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Discussion id : 110-943
most recent 24 MAY HIDE POSTS
 
I grow both a budded plant and an own root. I have forgotten which is which, because both are vigorous and outstanding in my zone 7a garden.
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Discussion id : 96-912
most recent 11 SEP 17 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 17 JAN 17 by Agnis
There is also a Frances Meilland, which doesn't seem to be in your database. Introduced by Meilland in 2013.
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Reply #1 of 4 posted 17 JAN 17 by jedmar
It is the same as 'Francis Meilland'. Some US nurseries call it "Frances".
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Reply #2 of 4 posted 17 JAN 17 by Agnis
Well isn't that silly! Weeks Roses is pretending Frances Meilland was introduced in 2013, when Francis Meilland was introduced in 1996. They both have the same patent number 19970, so they are the same rose, except that Francis is 4 ft tall and Frances is 6 ft tall. Frances M is a patented variety. So strange.
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Reply #3 of 4 posted 18 JAN 17 by jedmar
Weeks probably introduced it in 2013 in the USA, but its first introduction in Europe was 2006, i.e. 10 years after it was bred. Very often breeders state too low heights for the roses they are freshly introducing. This can have several reasons: Not many years' experience how tall a rose can become; but also, Marketing reasons, as roses which are 3-4' tall seem to be more popular for smaller gardens - not everyone wants a 6-8' monster! e.g. my English Roses were regularly a multiple of what the breeder stated!
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Reply #4 of 4 posted 11 SEP 17 by Lavenderlace
I planted FM last summer own-root, expecting three feet at maturity. He's now eight feet tall with a mid-summer pruning. The flowers are gorgeous and long lasting in the vase in spite of the unfortunate height. I hope he can deal with being moved to a more suitable location!
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Discussion id : 95-485
most recent 29 APR 17 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 18 OCT 16 by Lavenderlace
Outstanding foliage and a beautiful rose here in no-spray hot Z8. He's only getting 5-6 hours of morning sun but seems happy enough!
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Reply #1 of 10 posted 22 DEC 16 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Two years ago I saw Francis Meilland (grafted on Dr.Huey) in a pot at Menards for less than $10, and it had the most buds compared to any rose in pots. Too bad I didn't buy that, I wasn't sure about the scent.
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Reply #2 of 10 posted 23 DEC 16 by Lavenderlace
The scent for me so far was mild but pleasant. But it's a first year plant so I have high hopes for next year! Mine are own-root.
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Reply #3 of 10 posted 28 APR 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Thank you for the info. about scent !!
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Reply #4 of 10 posted 28 APR 17 by Lavenderlace
Update: I have to say that he's been slow to start blooming this year compared to my other roses. He's on the east side so the sun is limited and I wonder if he prefers full sun? The plant looks great but can't say that he's produced a ton of blooms yet.
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Reply #5 of 10 posted 28 APR 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Two years ago I saw Francis Meilland (grafted on Dr.Huey) in a pot at local Menards, with at least a dozen buds in partial shade, in gloomy & wet spring. That rose had way-more buds than other roses in pots. It had dark green & glossy foliage. Glossy means it's a water-hog. Dark-green means it likes alkaline clay. I put my glossy foliage in partial-shade and they do much better. Some roses don't bloom well in full-sun & sandy soil since there's not enough constant water. Thus potting soil (dense & moisture-retentive with peatmoss), and soaking wet-clay would be better for the glossy leaves. Or partial shade, which helps with moisture-level.
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Reply #6 of 10 posted 28 APR 17 by Lavenderlace
Thanks so much for that info. I wonder if mine being own root is the difference? I'm glad to hear that he likes water as he is set up on a watering line. The leaves are really beautiful and he does have buds. But his neighbors have been blooming for two months so maybe he has a shorter growing season?
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Reply #7 of 10 posted 28 APR 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Some roses are bigger water-hog than others. Pat Austin (glossy foliage) and Tchaikovsky (glossy foliage) need a HUGE amount of water (like 5 gallons), before they bloom ... both are in partial shade.

The amount of water does help with an early start in blooming. My William Shakespeare 2000 gets only 4 hours of morning sun, but it's in constant wet clay, and now the bush is fully-leafed out ... versus other Austin roses in dry areas lagging behind. Stephen Big Purple (full-sun) gets the rain-barrel dumping water everyday & in wet clay, and it's way ahead every spring. That's the logic for Roses Unlimited recommending 2 cups of alfalfa meal & 1/4 part peat moss plus 1 cup lime & 1/4 part red clay & 1/4 part compost & 1/4 part rich soil in the planting hole to UP the moisture level.
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Reply #8 of 10 posted 28 APR 17 by Lavenderlace
Super info, thank you so much!
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Reply #9 of 10 posted 29 APR 17 by Tessie
I'd never heard that about glossy foliage before. It doesn't hold true for my California garden which has mostly very fast draining sandy loam soil. Europas Rosengarten (floribunda), Polyantha Grandiflora (species cross), Snowdon (rugosa), Frau Dagmar Hastrop (rugosa), Julia Mannering (eglantine), and Excellenz von Schubert (polyantha), and others, all have glossy foliage and are drought tolerant here. Maybe it depends on the water and other conditions in different parts of the country? The soil and water here are quite alkaline.
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Reply #10 of 10 posted 29 APR 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
I grow Excellenz von Schubert, it has LIGHT GREEN & slender & SMALL GLOSSY foliage. I was talking to Lavenderlace about DARK GREEN & round & LARGE GLOSSY foliage of MODERN own-root roses Francis Meilland, Pat Austin, and Tchaikovsky.

For Excellenz von Schubert I had to put an ungodly amount of dry pine bark & gypsum mixed into my heavy clay to make it loamy. And I never water that one either. Also Excellenz von Schubert has the 7 small-leaflet multiflora-species pattern, which prefers loamy soil. Species roses are more drought-tolerant than modern roses.
We also have lots of drought-tolerant Rugosas growing along the road-side. These have 7 to 9 tiny-leaflet pattern & lighter green, and NOT 5 large leaflets like modern roses. Website quote "Rugosa is from the Latin word “rugose,” meaning wrinkled. Rugosa leaves are textured with a fine quilting that gives the foliage depth and richness."
Modern roses with DARK GREEN & round & LARGE GLOSSY foliage need tons of water (week-long rain) before they give over dozen buds like Francis Meilland in a small pot at local Menards.
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