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Discussion id : 96-912
most recent 11 SEP SHOW ALL
Initial post 17 JAN 17 by Agnis
There is also a Frances Meilland, which doesn't seem to be in your database. Introduced by Meilland in 2013.
Reply #1 of 4 posted 17 JAN 17 by jedmar
It is the same as 'Francis Meilland'. Some US nurseries call it "Frances".
Reply #2 of 4 posted 17 JAN 17 by Agnis
Well isn't that silly! Weeks Roses is pretending Frances Meilland was introduced in 2013, when Francis Meilland was introduced in 1996. They both have the same patent number 19970, so they are the same rose, except that Francis is 4 ft tall and Frances is 6 ft tall. Frances M is a patented variety. So strange.
Reply #3 of 4 posted 18 JAN 17 by jedmar
Weeks probably introduced it in 2013 in the USA, but its first introduction in Europe was 2006, i.e. 10 years after it was bred. Very often breeders state too low heights for the roses they are freshly introducing. This can have several reasons: Not many years' experience how tall a rose can become; but also, Marketing reasons, as roses which are 3-4' tall seem to be more popular for smaller gardens - not everyone wants a 6-8' monster! e.g. my English Roses were regularly a multiple of what the breeder stated!
Reply #4 of 4 posted 11 SEP by Lavenderlace
I planted FM last summer own-root, expecting three feet at maturity. He's now eight feet tall with a mid-summer pruning. The flowers are gorgeous and long lasting in the vase in spite of the unfortunate height. I hope he can deal with being moved to a more suitable location!
Discussion id : 95-485
most recent 29 APR SHOW ALL
Initial post 18 OCT 16 by Lavenderlace
Outstanding foliage and a beautiful rose here in no-spray hot Z8. He's only getting 5-6 hours of morning sun but seems happy enough!
Reply #1 of 10 posted 22 DEC 16 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Two years ago I saw Francis Meilland (grafted on Dr.Huey) in a pot at Menards for less than $10, and it had the most buds compared to any rose in pots. Too bad I didn't buy that, I wasn't sure about the scent.
Reply #2 of 10 posted 23 DEC 16 by Lavenderlace
The scent for me so far was mild but pleasant. But it's a first year plant so I have high hopes for next year! Mine are own-root.
Reply #3 of 10 posted 28 APR by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Thank you for the info. about scent !!
Reply #4 of 10 posted 28 APR by Lavenderlace
Update: I have to say that he's been slow to start blooming this year compared to my other roses. He's on the east side so the sun is limited and I wonder if he prefers full sun? The plant looks great but can't say that he's produced a ton of blooms yet.
Reply #5 of 10 posted 28 APR by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Two years ago I saw Francis Meilland (grafted on Dr.Huey) in a pot at local Menards, with at least a dozen buds in partial shade, in gloomy & wet spring. That rose had way-more buds than other roses in pots. It had dark green & glossy foliage. Glossy means it's a water-hog. Dark-green means it likes alkaline clay. I put my glossy foliage in partial-shade and they do much better. Some roses don't bloom well in full-sun & sandy soil since there's not enough constant water. Thus potting soil (dense & moisture-retentive with peatmoss), and soaking wet-clay would be better for the glossy leaves. Or partial shade, which helps with moisture-level.
Reply #6 of 10 posted 28 APR by Lavenderlace
Thanks so much for that info. I wonder if mine being own root is the difference? I'm glad to hear that he likes water as he is set up on a watering line. The leaves are really beautiful and he does have buds. But his neighbors have been blooming for two months so maybe he has a shorter growing season?
Reply #7 of 10 posted 28 APR by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Some roses are bigger water-hog than others. Pat Austin (glossy foliage) and Tchaikovsky (glossy foliage) need a HUGE amount of water (like 5 gallons), before they bloom ... both are in partial shade.

The amount of water does help with an early start in blooming. My William Shakespeare 2000 gets only 4 hours of morning sun, but it's in constant wet clay, and now the bush is fully-leafed out ... versus other Austin roses in dry areas lagging behind. Stephen Big Purple (full-sun) gets the rain-barrel dumping water everyday & in wet clay, and it's way ahead every spring. That's the logic for Roses Unlimited recommending 2 cups of alfalfa meal & 1/4 part peat moss & 1/4 part red clay & 1/4 part compost & 1/4 part rich soil in the planting hole to UP the moisture level. My pots with alfalfa meal mixed-in bloomed WAY head of the pots without, alfalfa meal makes the soil wet & fertile.
Reply #8 of 10 posted 28 APR by Lavenderlace
Super info, thank you so much!
Reply #9 of 10 posted 29 APR by Tessie
I'd never heard that about glossy foliage before. It doesn't hold true for my California garden which has mostly very fast draining sandy loam soil. Europas Rosengarten (floribunda), Polyantha Grandiflora (species cross), Snowdon (rugosa), Frau Dagmar Hastrop (rugosa), Julia Mannering (eglantine), and Excellenz von Schubert (polyantha), and others, all have glossy foliage and are drought tolerant here. Maybe it depends on the water and other conditions in different parts of the country? The soil and water here are quite alkaline.
Reply #10 of 10 posted 29 APR by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
I grow Excellenz von Schubert, it has LIGHT GREEN & slender & SMALL GLOSSY foliage. I was talking to Lavenderlace about DARK GREEN & round & LARGE GLOSSY foliage of MODERN own-root roses Francis Meilland, Pat Austin, and Tchaikovsky.

For Excellenz von Schubert I had to put an ungodly amount of dry pine bark & gypsum mixed into my heavy clay to make it loamy. And I never water that one either. Also Excellenz von Schubert has the 7 small-leaflet multiflora-species pattern, which prefers loamy soil. Species roses are more drought-tolerant than modern roses.
We also have lots of drought-tolerant Rugosas growing along the road-side. These have 7 to 9 tiny-leaflet pattern & lighter green, and NOT 5 large leaflets like modern roses. Website quote "Rugosa is from the Latin word “rugose,” meaning wrinkled. Rugosa leaves are textured with a fine quilting that gives the foliage depth and richness."
Modern roses with DARK GREEN & round & LARGE GLOSSY foliage need tons of water (week-long rain) before they give over dozen buds like Francis Meilland in a small pot at local Menards.
Discussion id : 91-068
most recent 17 MAY 16 SHOW ALL
Initial post 23 FEB 16 by frenchrose
This rose may be tender. I live in piedmont North Carolina, zone 7a, and I ordered this rose for a customer. It grew very well and reached a height of five to six feet its first growing season. Unfortunately it died near the end of its first winter when temperatures dipped near zero in February 2015.
Reply #1 of 2 posted 12 MAY 16 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Thank you for the info. I saw Francis Meilland (grafted on Dr. Huey) loaded with buds at local Menards. Thank God I didn't buy it, I bought Pink Peace instead (grafted on Dr. Huey) and that's cane-hardy, more than a foot of green branches last winter .. I planted that 4 inch. below ground.
Reply #2 of 2 posted 17 MAY 16 by frenchrose
Glad to be of assistance. The rose I planted was on its own roots. It should have been able to withstand a freeze better than a grafted specimen.
Discussion id : 83-715
most recent 11 AUG 15 SHOW ALL
Initial post 15 MAR 15 by boopie
This rose is beautiful. One of the names is Father of Peace, which I like, this rose has a special pure, holy sense about it.

No disease, so far. Long stems, slow to repeat (still first year). This is a rose everyone wants in their garden. (every rose lover wants)
Reply #1 of 6 posted 15 MAR 15 by Jay-Jay
How can any-one call this feminine rose 'Father of Peace'! Why so many names for this beautifully named rose: Prince Jardinier! (a male name too, I must admit)... The Gardening Prince, or Prince Gardener.
Reply #2 of 6 posted 27 MAR 15 by boopie
Ha! Jay-Jay, I read, learn from, and enjoy your posts so often. And now you have commented on mine only to see things different. Pretty Woman is another name for this rose, so more to you liking:) But I still like Father of Peace for the reason's stated above. But you know what they say... "What's in a name. A rose by any other name would smell as sweet."
Reply #3 of 6 posted 27 MAR 15 by Jay-Jay
Good morning boopie,
Thank You for Your compliments.
It was a kind of a joke, my reply I mean, but I'm not a user of emoticons or the term "LOL".

At first, I only knew this wonderful... and wonderful smelling rose as Prince Jardinier. During the years more names popped up.
When I read Your comment, I clicked on the name of the rose and to my surprise, this rose came into view.
I always thought of it as a feminine rose (I do so about most roses), but than I realized, that it was a prince and not a 'Princess Jardinier'.... So I contradict myself.
This rose has a special place in my heart (and nose of-course). It's one of the first HT's of our collection at this/current home. And yes, it has a pure (if You wish holy) sense about it.
The scent is really relaxing for me, when inhaled.
Enjoy Your day, Best Regards, Jay-Jay.
Reply #4 of 6 posted 11 AUG 15 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Would you say the scent is better than Frederic Mistral (the Children's rose)? I have Frederic Mistral, I like the scent. How's the vase life for Francis Meilland (Prince. J)? Thanks for any info.
Reply #5 of 6 posted 11 AUG 15 by Jay-Jay
I do not know Mistral other than the wind in the Alpes. Not as a rose.
Prince Jardinier is a rewarding rose as for on a vase.
Last some days and sends her fragrance out into the room.
The fragrance changes due to weather conditions and or heat.
Sometimes more cedar-like, sometimes more old rose or citrus.
The scent is the best, when those components are in balance.
Reply #6 of 6 posted 11 AUG 15 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Thank you, Jay jay. I appreciate your reply. Someone told me F. Meilland smells like peanut-butter .. I was confused. I admire the pictures. that you showed: so many petals in F. Meilland .. how did you fertilize that rose? Thanks.
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