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Thomas for Roses
Discussion id : 93-394
most recent 15 JUN 16 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 14 JUN 16 by Give me caffeine
Having just received our first order of roses from Thomas for Roses I thought a few comments were in order.

First, they're nice people to deal with. When notifying me of the dispatch of our order, Glenys even added that we could knock $2 off the invoice as the postage had been slightly less than she anticipated.

The roses arrived in good order, but due to my inexperience I made a mistake that some other beginners might wish to take note of. I had assumed that the roses would be shipped much like the ones you see in a hardware store, with each rootball individually wrapped in something to keep them happy for a bit.

Thomas ships their roses totally bare root, with all the roses bundled together and some moistened newspaper around the outside of the whole lot of the roots. Naturally I opened up the package as soon as it arrived to check the contents. My mistake was assuming that, in our warm autumn weather, the moistened newspaper around the outside of all the roots would keep the plants happy for a couple of days. The problem was that there was enough air space in the middle of the bunch for the roots to begin drying out.

I caught onto this as soon as it started having a noticeable effect, and roses are tough anyway, so now that they are in the ground they are already bouncing back. No permanent harm done, and not the nursery's fault anyway, but worth noting.

Since I wasn't ready to plant them all immediately, and since I didn't want to heel them in somewhere in the garden for a couple of days, and since like most people I had a pile of old plastic pots of various sizes sitting around anyway, what I did was pot them temporarily in budget potting mix. This seemed like the easiest and most convenient holding pattern, as it allowed me to do the job at my potting bench and then just take the pots down the block when I was ready to plant.

One 60 litre bag only cost $8 from Mitre 10, and each bag will easily do 8 roses, so for a cost of $1 per rose I think it's excellent insurance. In future I would just do this as a matter of course if not ready to plant immediately.
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Reply #1 of 3 posted 14 JUN 16 by Patricia Routley
A recent email from a friend, called Glenys and her husband, "the salt of the earth" and I thoroughly agree. I was on the Heritage Roses in Australia Mt. Gambier pre-conference tour when we had a far, far too brief a stop at this superb nursery. The memory of it inspired me to recently pen a silly little article on helping nurseries - which is one way to help conserve our wonderful old roses. If only they would send to Western Australia, what riches I would order.

Give me caffeine, that el cheapo potting mix will all fall off the roots when you transplant the rose and all those little white feeder roots will get the shock of their lives. Ideally, dig and fill the hole three months before the rose arrives. When the worms are as fat as your little finger, then you know your rose will positively leap out of the ground.
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Reply #2 of 3 posted 14 JUN 16 by Give me caffeine
They were getting a worse shock not being in anything at all. Some immediate action was required, IMO.

Yes, it comes off the roots when you transplant them, but as long as they're keep moist and as long as you take the mix off carefully I can't see it being a problem. I've transplanted plenty of things out of potting mix before and never had any problems. Bear in mind that I'm proposing this simply as a holding pattern for a few days. The roots have already been out in the air, and won't put on any significant growth in a week at this time of year. It's basically just to keep the plant hydrated through the roots that are already there.

The holes they went into are quite comfy. What happened was I started down the bottom of the block where all the best topsoil is. It's ok, but still not the best for a rose bed, so on top of that went about 6" of (free) fresh horse poo, followed by another 4" of (not free) premium garden soil, followed by some pelletised chook poo for extra nitrogen when the fresh horse poo and associated wood shavings started breaking down. This was all covered with ti tree mulch and thoroughly watered. This was done some time back.

Just recently I was given access to a small mountain of horse poo that had nicely composted itself*. I spent a week busting my back shovelling it into the ute and taking it home, then unloading and spreading it. The ti tree mulch got raked back and the composted stuff (lots of it) went on top of the preceding garden soil. About another 6" worth. The whole lot then got dug over where the roses were going (I haven't yet dug over the entire bed, which has a total area of about 100 square metres, but will do that before the roses outgrow their current holes).

The resulting stuff soaks up water like a sponge, is chockers full of goodies, and still has excellent drainage. I am fairly sure the roses will be happy.

Do I get a pass? :D

*This had witchettys as fat as my thumb in it.
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Reply #3 of 3 posted 15 JUN 16 by Patricia Routley
Yes. A gold-plated pass.
I can only manage the hole itself.
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Discussion id : 90-105
most recent 23 JAN 16 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 3 JAN 16 by Meryl
The pages on the nursery, Thomas for Roses, note that Marie Lambert and Marie Pavie are swapped in the nursery garden. I want to order Marie Pavie. Does Glenys know these two are mislabelled and which is which? Or should I just order Marie Lambert to get Marie Pavie?
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Reply #1 of 5 posted 3 JAN 16 by Margaret Furness
Yes, order Marie Lambert. We find that nurseries tend to reply when informed of errors, "That was what it was sold to us as." Usually more grammatically than that, but I'm writing late at night.
if you get Marie Lambert let me know, and I'll replace it!
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Reply #2 of 5 posted 4 JAN 16 by HMF Admin
As per the Thomas For Roses nursery:

"Yes I was aware that they were originally mixed but that problem was sorted some years ago and if you order Marie Pavie you will get Marie Pavie not Snowdrop Regard Glenys"
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Reply #3 of 5 posted 4 JAN 16 by Margaret Furness
OK, I'll take the comment off the listing. With apologies.
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Reply #4 of 5 posted 4 JAN 16 by Meryl
This exchange has introduced me to Marie Lambert, for which much thanks, people. I will now be ordering both roses.
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Reply #5 of 5 posted 23 JAN 16 by Give me caffeine
Just be aware that Thomas don't have 'Marie Lambert' listed under that name. They have it as "Snow Flake". If you ask for Marie Lambert there may be some confusion.

They also have 'G. Nabonnand' listed as "Jean Ducher", and 'Monsier Tillier' listed as "Archiduc Joseph", and 'Marquise de Vivens' listed as "Mrs. Good's Special Tea" (not in their catalogue, but available).
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