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'Madame Merlon du Thé' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 101-921
most recent 3 JUL HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 3 JUL by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
As own-root, this rose doesn't like sticky & heavy clay and did better in fluffy & loose potting soil.
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 3 JUL by Andrew from Dolton
Maybe a rose with multiflora ancestry didn't like your high PH soil as well.
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 3 JUL by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Andrew: with Clotilde Soupert, it has hairy & thin roots which are more suitable for LIGHT & LOAMY soil. My friend rooted that easily in ALKALINE sand, and gave to me. I lower my soil pH, by mixing in pine bark (pH 4), plus tons of acidic rain (pH 4.6 in Chicagoland). But OWN-ROOT Clotilde Soupert doesn't like sticky & heavy clay, regardless of the pH level. When I grew that in a pot, I added sand to make it DRIER & FLUFFIER, and it did well & zero balling in that loamy & fast-draining medium.

In contrast, THICK & CHUNKY own-roots like French Meilland & Romantica do better in my heavy & sticky clay, than in fluffy-potting soil. From my experience of growing over 100+ varieties of own-root roses: light & fluffy & hairy roots prefer lighter & fluffy soil, and heavy & thick & chunky roots prefer denser & heavy clay.
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Discussion id : 89-398
most recent 21 NOV 15 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 21 NOV 15 by CybeRose
Everblooming Roses for the Out-door Garden of the Amateur p. 57 (1912)
Georgia Torrey Drennan
The years that have passed since these "Fairy" roses came to us from across the seas have wrought many changes. Hybridised with the Teas, the roses are of larger sizes, more luxuriant growth and more brilliant colours. Not that we love the Polyantha simplex less, but the Polyantha Teas more. These were obtained by crossing the Tea rose Madam Damaizin with Migonette, the most profuse of the dwarf roses. The result was Clotilde Soupert, known over the world as the hardiest everblooming rose of Tea kindred, except Gloire de Dijon. The rosy ivory-white, pinkish salmon tints of these roses, of such different classes, are much the same, rivalling the most exquisite picture Nature ever painted by a ray of light in a drop of water—the rainbow in the heavens. Clotilde Soupert is distinctly many petaled, true to its Polyantha parentage. The petals are lovely little shells, closely compacted together, forming an indescribably beautiful rose.
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Discussion id : 83-419
most recent 7 MAR 15 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 26 FEB 15 by flodur
This Lady loves her real name and that is Clothilde Soupert, please be polite!
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Reply #1 of 4 posted 26 FEB 15 by Margaret Furness
The references vary a lot but the oldest do allow her the h.
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Reply #2 of 4 posted 27 FEB 15 by Patricia Routley
We've added 'Clothilde Soupert' as a synonym.
(Cross a border, and they add - or subtract- another letter.)
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Reply #3 of 4 posted 27 FEB 15 by flodur
Whatever the "Registration name" means, the breeder called it 'Clothilde Soupert' - at that time all Clothildes in Luxembourg or France had a h! For me, a misspelling is not a synonym! But some people like to create new rose names.....
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Reply #4 of 4 posted 7 MAR 15 by HMF Admin
HMF has many instances of roses names that are not "correct" but over time have, often unfortunately, become common usage. HMF includes these various names to act as a cross reference and hopefully avoid the misconception of them being different roses.
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Discussion id : 82-507
most recent 15 JAN 15 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 15 JAN 15 by CybeRose
History of the Rose (1954) p. 225
Roy E. Shepherd
Clotilde Soupert is said to have been derived from a cross of the blush white Polyantha, Mignonette, and the creamy white, shaded salmon, Tea Rose Mme. Damaizin. The tendency of Clotilde Soupert to produce frequently a red blossom makes such a parentage improbable, as neither Mignonette or Mme. Damaizin had an ancestor of that color. In other respects, the generally accepted parentage is possible, but if the genes for a primary color do not exist in the parents, they are not likely to occur in the progeny, and we must therefore assume that the parentage of Clotilde Soupert is incorrectly recorded.
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