|
|
'Madame Hardy du Thé' rose Reviews & Comments
-
-
Initial post
26 FEB 15 by
flodur
|
This Lady loves her real name and that is Clothilde Soupert, please be polite!
|
REPLY
|
|
The references vary a lot but the oldest do allow her the h.
|
REPLY
|
|
We've added 'Clothilde Soupert' as a synonym.
(Cross a border, and they add - or subtract- another letter.)
|
REPLY
|
Reply
#3 of 4 posted
27 FEB 15 by
flodur
|
Whatever the "Registration name" means, the breeder called it 'Clothilde Soupert' - at that time all Clothildes in Luxembourg or France had a h! For me, a misspelling is not a synonym! But some people like to create new rose names.....
|
REPLY
|
|
HMF has many instances of roses names that are not "correct" but over time have, often unfortunately, become common usage. HMF includes these various names to act as a cross reference and hopefully avoid the misconception of them being different roses.
|
REPLY
|
-
-
|
History of the Rose (1954) p. 225
Roy E. Shepherd
Clotilde Soupert is said to have been derived from a cross of the blush white Polyantha, Mignonette, and the creamy white, shaded salmon, Tea Rose Mme. Damaizin. The tendency of Clotilde Soupert to produce frequently a red blossom makes such a parentage improbable, as neither Mignonette or Mme. Damaizin had an ancestor of that color. In other respects, the generally accepted parentage is possible, but if the genes for a primary color do not exist in the parents, they are not likely to occur in the progeny, and we must therefore assume that the parentage of Clotilde Soupert is incorrectly recorded.
|
REPLY
|
-
-
Initial post
2 FEB 12 by
kona
|
Fantastic rose for the South. Nicely clothed, 6wk bloom cycles and covers itself with blooms over a 1-2 wk cycle being longer in cool weather. Roots readily and is easily maintained as a compact 3ft dense bush. Hardy and very disease resistant (BS) no-spray. My bushes stay evergreen Z8B with blooms up until December this year. Very few thorns. Very fragrant.
|
REPLY
|
|
We have a found rose which we've been told is this one. It balls in damp weather - does yours?
|
REPLY
|
|
Clotilde Soupert is fussy regarding excessive dampness or rain in my experience. She does have a tendency to ball. However, in drier weather and with good sun, she blooms beautifully in large quantity with dependable regularity and fantastic fragrance.
|
REPLY
|
Reply
#3 of 3 posted
29 MAR 12 by
kona
|
Yes... here, in heavy rain of more than a day, the opening blooms will ball. But...there are so many buds that are yet to open over 2+ weeks that the bush is still full of blooms. I'd rather take the chance of rain with some balled blooms and have a very healthy compact rose. The last fall bloom cycle lasted 4 weeks here.
|
REPLY
|
-
-
|
I found this rose in two different locations on my travels to fine old roses. One is not far from me on a big lax bush growing in front of an abandoned Victorian house in Corinth, GA a one stop sign town west of Newnan, GA.
The other one I found growing in the Oconee Hill Cemetery located in Athens, GA right next Samford stadium the home of the Georgia Bulldogs. That one is tall too and is next to a grave with the date 1904.
Took successful cuttings off both of them and have them growing in my yard with a plant from Vintage Gardens as well. It is a great rose for the South.
|
REPLY
|
|
It has turned up in a couple of old gardens (zones 9 -10, dry summers) in Australia, too - a survivor rose, at least in hot areas.
|
REPLY
|
|
