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'Cramoisi Supérieur' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 80-058
most recent 21 AUG 14 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 21 AUG 14 by CybeRose
American Farmers’ Magazine 7(9): 539 (March 1855)
China Roses
Agrippena de Cramoise—One of the oldest, but the principal favorite of this class. It is beautifully formed, and its rich crimson color is unsurpassed. It is hardy, and a prolific bloomer.
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Discussion id : 79-994
most recent 19 AUG 14 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 18 AUG 14 by Massad, Dominique
Texte de louis Chaix dans « l’horticulteur provençal » 1850 pages 153

Rosier du bengale ‘Cramoisi supérieur’
Les semis du ‘Bengale commun’ et de celui ‘de la chine’ ou ‘Sanguin’ ont donné des variétés charmantes que je regrette de ne pas voir plus répandues. C’est à peine si l’on en rencontre quelques-unes chez les amateurs les plus intrépides ; encore ne les placent-t-ils qu’aux plus mauvaises expositions ; cependant leur floraison vraiment perpétuelle, puisqu’elle se prolonge jusqu’aux froids, commanderait, ce me semble, plus d’égards. Je crois devoir appeler l’attention de mes lecteurs sur une variété extrêmement remarquable dont la culture est obligatoire : je veux parler du bengale ‘Cramoisi supérieur’.
Malgré le mérite de cette jolie rose, le nom de son auteur est resté dans l’obscurité. J’ai appris par M Verdier, l’habile rosiériste parisien, qu’elle nous est venue de Belgique ; c’est M paillet, horticulteur de Paris, qui l’importa de ce pays lors d’un voyage qu’il fit en 1834.

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Arbuste formant un buisson vigoureux à rameaux lisses d’un rouge pourpre très-vif dans les jeunes pousses, passant au vert foncé ; feuilles à cinq folioles luisantes, d’un rouge feu dans le jeune âge, prenant plus tard une teinte vert foncé, nuancé de pourpre, les deux inférieures moyennes, les supérieures grandes, terminées en pointe très vive et profondément dentées ; calice enforme de dé à coudre ; bouton arrondi à la base et pointu au sommet ; sépales moyens, pédoncule long, un peu flexueux, fleurs groupées au nombre de 3 et 4 et même davantage sur les jeunes rameaux vigoureux, et solitaires sur les anciennes, globuleuse, moyennes, pleines, de 6 centimètres de diamètre, d’un rouge cramoisi vif très brillant ; les pétales du centre sont souvent plus clairs que ceux de la circonférence.
Le rosier du bengale Cramoisi supérieur, par l’abondance et l’éclat de ses brillantes fleurs, a sa place naturellement marquée dans toute les collections des gens de goût.
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 19 AUG 14 by Patricia Routley
Thanks Dominique. Added.
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Discussion id : 72-528
most recent 24 JUN 13 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 24 JUN 13 by AquaEyes
Per the paper linked below (in Table 4, beginning on the paper's page 28), this rose is triploid. I am cross-posting this comment on all others mentioned which do not already have their ploidies mentioned in their descriptions.

http://repository.tamu.edu/bitstream/handle/1969.1/ETD-TAMU-2009-12-7450/SOULES-THESIS.pdf?sequence=2

:-)

~Christopher
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Discussion id : 1-751
most recent 27 APR 10 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 25 FEB 04 by Unregistered Guest
I planted Cramoisis superior a year ago (ARE) and I expected the first year to be slow in seeing growth. This year I have about 10-12 beautiful blossoms on the bush but it is at most 18-20 inches high. It looks like a miniatureThis was not what I was expecting. I thought it could get 4-5 feet.
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Reply #1 of 7 posted 25 FEB 04 by Anonymous-797
Give it more time. Mine first put on lateral growth before gaining height. It will have no trouble reaching the 4' to 5' that you want. Beautiful rose and plant habit...extremely tought plant that loves sun/heat when given proper water and soil.
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Reply #2 of 7 posted 25 FEB 05 by Unregistered Guest
I am in Tampa, FL and mine is growing like a weed. No disease problems. I have it on a balcony and it grew out into the open towards the sun. Quite a spectacle for those viewing my balcony. It loves water and soil with dehydrated cow manure!
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Reply #3 of 7 posted 6 JUN 06 by Anonymous-103220
It will get larger. Chinas can be slow sometimes, particularly if you're above the mason-dixon line. My experience is that they (Chinas) are like Teas in that they slowly build a large-ish, twiggy bush. I would fertilize it every week and work in some blood meal/bat guano into the soil.
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Reply #4 of 7 posted 2 FEB 10 by lookin4you2xist
just my 2 cents it does not like to be pruned heavy or it will sulk for a couple years. But, it should be an Earthkind Rose IMO, also. Needs some size in my garden to set hips but I have gotten a couple from it. Really a bullet proof rose in Tampa Bay
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Reply #5 of 7 posted 3 FEB 10 by HMF Admin
Just what we are looking for: to have everyone add their "2 cents" about plants they grow or are familiar with. Thanks.
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Reply #6 of 7 posted 26 APR 10 by teka2rjleffel
I had a different experience. The wind nearlty pulled it out fo the ground so I knew it had to get cut back. I took it from 8' to 4'. It immediately started putting out tons of new buds. It may have something to do with age.
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Reply #7 of 7 posted 27 APR 10 by lookin4you2xist
mine is over 15 years old great rose!
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