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'Sakou-Ibara' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 105-071
most recent 26 AUG HIDE POSTS
Initial post 26 AUG by scvirginia
from Gardening Illustrated, August 25, 1906, p.356:
Roses Aimee Vibert and Crimson Rambler.
An accidental mingling of these two Roses impressed one with the fact that they are worthy companions. How restful to the eye is the snowy whiteness of Aimee Vibert, and its glistening foliage is almost as attractive and refreshing as its blossoms. Crimson Rambler is grand in its way. but it is sadly overdone in many gardens, whereas there are numbers of other Ramblers more beautiful and less gorgeous. I certainly would recommend the planting of some Aimee Vibert where Crimson Rambler is planted as a free bush, and allow both to ramble and grow together. Standards of both are very showy. and give to the Rose garden early in August quite a delightful mass of colour just as the other Roses are waning. —Rosa.
Discussion id : 102-415
most recent 10 JUL HIDE POSTS
Initial post 10 JUL by Patricia Routley
1911 Hazlewood Bros.
p29. Climbing Polyantha, Wichuriana, and Their Hybrids. Crimson Rambler. Dazzling crimson, produced in clusters.
Discussion id : 101-516
most recent 1 JUL SHOW ALL
Initial post 27 JUN by Andrew from Dolton
This rose is about twice the size of 'Excelsa' with far fewer roses per cluster, could it be 'Turner's Crimson'?
Reply #1 of 5 posted 28 JUN by Patricia Routley
I am not sure what you mean when you say "this rose"? In my experience the size and colour of 'Turner's Crimson Rambler' and 'Excelsa' blooms are almost identical, (bearing in mind that both my roses are foundlings). But the habit of 'Turner's Crimson Rambler' is upright, and 'Excelsa' is sarmentose.
Reply #2 of 5 posted 30 JUN by Andrew from Dolton
Oh sorry Patricia, I forgot to upload the picture!
The size of the blooms are about twice the size of 'Excelsa', not the plant. I think you are right it is 'Turner's Crimson'.
Reply #3 of 5 posted 30 JUN by Patricia Routley
I don't think your rose is 'Turner's Crimson Rambler', but to check for yourself, please compare the pedicel and stipule with my photos. Not that mine are guaranteed, but they do have the prickly stipule that 'Turner's Crimson Rambler' passed on to the multiflora roses. You need to have side-on photos of the buds and pedicels. Full frontals give very little information.

The colour of your bloom is reminding me of "Manetti in Australia" actually.
Reply #4 of 5 posted 30 JUN by Andrew from Dolton
Ah yes Patricia, thank you for making me look at it properly! Looking at the 'Turner's Crimson' pictures, your rose has very bristly pedicles whilst mine are smooth and green. The rose will be really vigorous, it was only planted this year as a stick in a 2lt pot but has since sent out masses of shoots and managed to produce a couple of flowers low down on the ground. The stipules are like a saw blade wth small regular cillates, not all whispy like a usual multiflora hybrid. There is a row prickles along the mid-rib on the back of the leaf. The flowers are the same colour as 'Excelsa', 'Manetti' is far too pale. Something I have noticed on HMF is that often other peoples' roses are a stronger colour than mine, presumably you receive more, brighter and hotter sun than I do.
The parent plant grew as a sort of half rambler and half shrub sending out long shoots sprawling all over the place. It grew in a semi-wild garden in a nearby town, where I rustled it from. I thought at first it might have been 'Cerise Bouquet'. The leaves are rounder and darker green than 'Turner's Crimson'. It has since been "tidied-up" and has not flowered this year.
Two weeks ago it was 32 degrees, now is down to 12 with the most cheerless heavy drizzle, I just lit the fire, such a depressing thing to be doing in the middle of summer.
Reply #5 of 5 posted 1 JUL by Patricia Routley
There are a few files containing the name Manetti. It was the file "Manetti in Australia" that I wanted you to refer to. (This file was made after visiting California and noting their Manetti was different to the one we grow in Australia.)
Discussion id : 99-916
most recent 23 MAY HIDE POSTS
Initial post 23 MAY by Patricia Routley
1922 Hazlewood Bros.
p41. Climbing Multiflora or Rambling Roses. Crimson Rambler has been discarded in favour of Excelsa. See next section.
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