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'Blush Rambler' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 135-748
most recent 23 DEC 22 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 17 DEC 22 by Patricia Routley
The 1904 Blush Rambler reference is interesting in that it says the foliage is very similar to its seed parent ‘Crimson Rambler’. For what it is worth, I’ll attach a photo of my 1893 ‘Crimson Rambler’ leaf (left) and a leaf of what I believe is c1895 Dawson’s ‘Apple Blossom‘ (right). I do not have ‘Blush Rambler’.
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Reply #1 of 9 posted 20 DEC 22 by billy teabag
I have some photos of the roses received as Blush Rambler and Cherub at Araluen.
If I put them here in comments for a start, can we have a conversation about what they might be and where they could be uploaded?
Re the leaves - I went back and forth between the two plants, thinking one had upturned leaflets or more conspicuous serrations or different shaped leaflets, but no - both plants had quite a wide range of variation in the leaflets.
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Reply #2 of 9 posted 20 DEC 22 by billy teabag
A few more photos of the two roses at Araluen
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Reply #3 of 9 posted 21 DEC 22 by Patricia Routley
Billy,

I was under the impression my ‘Crimson Rambler’ has light green leaves. I still think so, but a photograph or two this morning of the leaves tells me there is very little difference in the colour of ‘Crimson Rambler’ and the rose which came to me as ‘Cherub’ from Melville-> Del Bibby-> ROS-O-SW and which I was thinking might be Dawson’s ‘Apple Blossom’. I am sure we are talking about the same clone. Seamus (Mostly Roses) tells me his ‘Blush Rambler’ came from Ken Poultney.

There are a couple of references which say ‘Blush Rambler’ has “pyramidal clusters” and that, combined with the references to light green leaves leads to my doubt.
I have deleted my Comment of yesterday and for the sake of flow, have attached it below. I guess all you can do is read the references and comments.

As at Dec 18, 2022 Australian nurseries and major gardens are listing the following roses on HelpMeFind:

Apple Blossom - see 2006 ref.
Dawson 1890. Dawson x R. multiflora.
Thomas for Roses

Apple Blossom See Comment 20-440 initial post and Comment 23-066 reply 2 of 2.
Burbank 1932 Dawson x R. multiflora
Mistydowns, Ross, Vic State.

Blush Rambler. - has light green foliage similar to Crimson Rambler.
B.R. Cant 1903. Crimson Rambler x The Garland.
Araluen, Mistydowns, Mostly Roses, Old Parliament Hazlewood, Thomas for Roses, Vic State.

Cherub. - was salmon pink, ages to carmine pink. Probably extinct- see refs.
Alister Clark <1920. Seedling of Claire Jacquier.
Alister Clark Mem Gdns Bulla, Araluen, Mistydowns, Old Parliament tennis, Vic State.

Kew Rambler - has prickles.
Unknown breeder 1912. Rosa Soulieana x Hiawatha
Mistydowns, Saumarez, Thomas for Roses,

Or in another format:
Alister Clark Mem Gdns, Bulla: has Cherub.
Araluen: has Blush Rambler, Cherub.
Mistydowns: had Apple Blossom (Burbank), Blush Rambler, Cherub, Kew Rambler.
Mostly Roses: has Blush Rambler.
Old Parliament House: Hazlewood has Blush Rambler; Tennis Courts has Cherub.
Ross: has Apple Blossom (Burbank).
Thomas for Roses: had Apple Blossom (Dawson), Blush Rambler, Kew Rambler.
Vic State garden: has Apple Blossom (Burbank), Blush Rambler, Cherub.
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Reply #4 of 9 posted 21 DEC 22 by billy teabag
I am so inexperienced and inexpert where ramblers are concerned so it’s all new and interesting for me.
I am hoping that there are rambler experts in the hmf community who can give a few pointers.
Would like to know whether there are examples of ramblers that have a continuous link to their names as a reliable starting point for comparison.
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Reply #5 of 9 posted 21 DEC 22 by Margaret Furness
Attached is what Thomas for Roses had as Blush Rambler, followed by what was labelled Blush Rambler at the Dunedin North cemetery, then what was labelled Apple Blossom at the Gamble Garden, SA.
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Reply #6 of 9 posted 22 DEC 22 by safrano.rose
The roses sold in Australia as Blush Rambler and Cherub appear to be the same and may be the same as the roses sold as Apple Blossom (Dawson) and Apple Blossom (Burbank). As the Victoria State Garden has three of these roses, would someone please be able to check whether they are the same? A comment on the amount of prickles on the plants would also be appreciated.
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Reply #7 of 9 posted 22 DEC 22 by HubertG
I found a photo of 'Cherub', a young plant growing on a fence, in a 1932 newspaper. Detail isn't great but it may be useful.
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Reply #8 of 9 posted 23 DEC 22 by Palustris
I have a 'Blush Rambler' purchased from Vintage Gardens in 2004. It is a very upright growing rose with canes thick enough to allow it to form a 8' vase shaped shrub. When Ann Belovich visited almost a decade ago, she was not certain if it was correctly identified. She asserts in her book on ramblers that "some roses by this name are actually Dawson's 'Apple Blossom. She further says that 'Blush Rambler' has "small, single, pink with white centers, fragrant and carried in large clusters." As for 'Apple Blossom', she says "single light pink flowers with white centers blooming in large clusters..."

My rose is not single and none of the photos on this page are single. I would think that any rose just one generation from 'Crimson Rambler' as 'Blush Rambler' is, would have a profusion of glandular bristles on the pedicles and peduncles just as 'Crimson Rambler' does, and that would be a good indication of the true rose.
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Reply #9 of 9 posted 23 DEC 22 by Patricia Routley
Thanks for your input Palustrus. Just yesterday I added those references.

Re: Apple Blossom
Ann has written Dawson’s AB is semi-double, and Burbank’s is single.
This seems to counter Dan Russo’s (NEroseman)’s comment in the ‘Apple Blossom’ Burbank 1932 page, initial comment and 3 of 5 that both Apple Blossoms were the same rose.

Re: Blush Rambler
I have five first generation descendants of ‘Crimson Rambler’ and have this morning photographed the pedicels and stipules. Most pedicels were glandular. However, the biggest surprise for me was my presumed ‘Excelsa’ with pedicels as smooth as a baby’s bottom. However, I know in the ‘Excelsa’ comments I have written “…..the tiny hairs, but on 'Excelsa' they are much fewer and they sparsely populate the pedicels”.
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Discussion id : 135-766
most recent 18 DEC 22 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 18 DEC 22
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Reply #1 of 0 posted 18 DEC 22 by billy teabag
I don’t grow any of these ramblers but may have taken photos of some of them at Mottisfont or Regent’s Park.
I’ll upload any I can find as well as what Araluen received as Blush Rambler and Cherub, which look very similar and may be the same rose.
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Discussion id : 121-256
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Initial post 2 MAY 20 by HeathRose
Does anyone know a nursery in Australia that stocks Blush Rambler? Ross Roses is not growing it at the moment. Many thanks, Jessica
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Discussion id : 83-084
most recent 13 FEB 15 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 13 FEB 15 by MelissaPej
I've had an own-root plant of 'Blush Rambler' growing in poor gray clay for several years now. It make a big, handsome, arching, self-supporting shrub. It's a rewarding plant.
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