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'Fragrant Cloud' rose Reviews & Comments
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Fragrant Cloud gets a lot of negative reviews, but it's really a great rose for me. A beautiful, well rounded bush with foliage to the ground; gets at least 4ft high each summer; completely covers itself in blooms with great repeat throughout the summer; the heat and high humidity here don't slow it down. Yes, it will blackspot some, but not as badly as a lot of roses in my climate.
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i purchased Fragrant cloud from a local store this past spring, was a little hesistant because of the comments here on HMF., Approx four months into this rose growing in the garden, it has really excelled, it was 2ft tall when i got it, now it is over 5ft tall. It seems to be taking off very quickly, thick,bushy, the blooms have a strong scent. so far, iam glad i purchased this rose. I bought another as a present for my sister-in-law and hers is also doing very well to date. Hope this keeps up. so far disease has not been a problem, it is planted rather close to perfume delight which has some powder mildew (arghhhh) but Fragrant cloud has not gotten it. Im keeping my fingers cross on this one. Will update its performance in the zone 6 winter.
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Initial post 1 JUN 12 by  goncmg
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For years the topic of "dedteriorated/-ating" cultivars has been discussed. Deterioration through overbudding/poor budding practices, virused plant material, and so on (and I believe it is generally accepted Peace simply HAS deteriorated at this point)....does anyone else find Fragrant Cloud much less robust and healthy now than it was years ago? Having a tough time getting a solid plant. Tried mail order, not robust. Tried the garden center here and the plant is barely making it along. Several years ago I had a really nice, healthy first year plant that ended up with both mosiac and witch's broom (the later is not a virus I realize)....just wondering if anyone else has experienced what might be a deterioration with Fragrant Cloud...
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Reply #1 of 6 posted 3 JUN 12 by Jay-Jay
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In the Rosarium of Winschoten NL, the bed with Fragrant Cloud looked ugly and de plants almost defoliated by blackspot and just a few of the appr. 50 or more plants stayed more or less alive till winter. They were pruneshoveled and replaced by a better performing variety,
On the photo You can see the roseplants stayed tiny before getting diseased.
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Reply #3 of 6 posted 4 JUN 12 by goncmg
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Great yet sad picture..........this is exactly what my last few have looked like, very tiny, struggling, never get any basal breaks...........
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Reply #5 of 6 posted 4 JUN 12 by Jay-Jay
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These were all on rootstocks. And it was the last season of them over there. (The colours aren't right, for my camera has difficulties capturing reds.)
At first, after I looked them up that year, I wanted to plant them in my garden, but when I saw, how they behaved in the Rosarium, I hesitated and decided not to grow them in our garden.
A good choice, considered afterwards.
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Hmm, I have two Fragrant Clouds -- one is a "virus indexed" own root version from Vintage and the other a Home Depot denizen on Dr. Huey. The Home Depot rose is MUCH more vigorous and healthy than the other one.
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Reply #4 of 6 posted 4 JUN 12 by goncmg
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Going to try to hunt one down if I can at Home Depot or the like........my current sad little one is from a "better" garden center but the whole product looked awful and I bought one (last year) anyway.........this year's stock of FC is mostly dead at this nursery compared to huge and lovely (albeit perhapd doomed as summer ticks on) tiny pots of everyone else................every so often I find that a 1 1/2 grade of 2 grade rose "saved" from its wax and plastic sleeve or a "Home Depot" can really thrive. My current Royal Highness is gorgeous and vigorous and was on the clearance shelf 4 years ago at Wal-Mart. This year I have an Arizona from Meijers (basically a Wal-Mart) and a Mojave from a Menard's (basically a Home Depot) and they are bursting out basals, taking off.............without a doubt the best plant of Arizona I have ever grown............and what a nice surprise to see MOJAVE!
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Reply #6 of 6 posted 5 JUN 12 by Seil
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My Fragrant Cloud is a very weak grower. It's about 5 years old now and is still only 2 feet tall. I get one flush of a handful of blooms in the spring and maybe one bloom in the fall and that's about it. It seems to winter fine with little die back but it just doesn't want to grow or bloom much.
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I have room to plant one more rose this winter and I am strongly considering Fragrant Cloud for it's perfume. Could anyone tell me how this rose would grow in Adelaide, South Australia and what are the dimensions I could reasonably expect it to get to. It would be in full sun for 8 hours minimum.
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Reply #1 of 9 posted 7 APR 12 by Jay-Jay
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At least in the Dutch climate they do not thrive at a lot of places and get Blackspot very badly.
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I've heard/read the same information as Jay Jay regarding 'Fragrant Cloud'. I've thought about growing it but have not so far because I dread dealing with BS in my hot humid climate.
Matrice: I noticed that you list south Australia as your growing region. If your climate is generally drier than most and fairly warm/hot then BS might not even be an issue for you. If not- go for it! Some consider the fragrance payoff worth the effort of a little extra care.
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Reply #3 of 9 posted 7 APR 12 by Jay-Jay
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As for fragrance, I would recommend Erotika, if it can stand Your climate or even Étoile de Hollande; both red and large flowered.
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The very dark reds (eg Etoile de Hollande, Papa Meilland, rose sold as Francis Dubreuil, Crimson Glory among the older Hybrid Teas) need afternoon shade in Adelaide's summer; otherwise the petals burn. Fragrant Cloud might be better for where you plan to plant it, although I personally prefer the colour of the dark reds. I haven't grown Fragrant Cloud.
The Rose Society show will be held at the Burnside Town Hall on April 20-21; you could ask experts there, bearing in mind that a rose which looks good on the show bench isn't necessarily a good garden rose. One of the show classes allows the public to choose their favourite scent.
Or try wandering around Thomas for Roses' display garden (Woodside), and have a look at the modern Aus-breds at Ross Roses (Willunga).
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Margaret, what is the situation with Thomas for Roses nursery. Is it surviving, with good prospects for the future?
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Glenyse is 70, Hubert is older, and last I heard their son doesn't want to take on the business. Among the dwindling numbers of heritage-rose nurseries in Australia, they stand out as having a wide range of pre-1940 HTs.
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Reply #7 of 9 posted 11 APR 12 by kona
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I've grown Fragrant Cloud in coastal NJ, HI, Fla and Ga...all very humid and hot. I've only sprayed a few times. For me, FC gets moderate blackspot after a couple damp rainy days, other wise just a little, which doesn't bother me. Last year it lost about 1/4 of leaves with BS in the summer humidity. FC sits directly infront of the sprinkler head for a daily AM spray but dries in full sun. FC is sprawling/ awkward in habit, but is very floriforous. I prefer Tropicana for habit if packed into a garden and bought 3 more. Here, Tropicana looks similar, smells better/stronger, and booms are much more rain/sprinkler tolorant. Heavy feeding greatly helps with disease resistance in my garden. 2 years ago I pulled out 38 HTs but kept these 2, Pink Peace,and Double Delight because they did so well without spray. I don't want to spray--too many hummers and bees.
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Different climate... Climate change and La Nina aside, rain is rare in Adelaide's summer, and sprinkler watering was banned in the last drought, as being too inefficient a use of a precious resource. Not good for the leaves either if the water is mineral-laden (eg from a bore). Young roses, heavily mulched, would be watered deeply once a week, preferably by a dripper system; in the second summer, watering would be fortnightly. Established roses can get by with monthly watering. But alas we have no way of attracting humming birds!
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Reply #9 of 9 posted 1 MAY 12 by kona
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A dry climate is all the more reason to grow Fragrant Cloud or Tropicana (SuperStar). I have minor issues with well irrigation on the foliage....that's how they're field-grown and these are tough HT roses for the garden. They've been around a long time and are very inexpensive roses to give a try. A word of caution on the David Austin's though---they LOVE and NEED water and may not be a good choice for drought restrictions. We are going on water restrictions again here. Drip systems are nice if you have only roses, but they don't hit the rest of the garden. Wish you had Hummers.....neat little birds. They 'll buzz you if you are tardy filling the feeders.
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