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Discussion id : 104-389
most recent 13 AUG HIDE POSTS
Initial post 13 AUG by scvirginia
from L'horticulteur français, 1 January 1855, p.10:
Les Massifs de Rosiers.
..nous avons indiqué comment on pouvait obtenir de beaux massifs de rosiers de la section des hybrides; nous entreprenons aujourd'hui d'en former avec les rosiers dits de l'Ile Bourbon. Nous avons choisi, comme pour les hybrides, les variétés dont la végétation, à peu près égale, permet de les planter dans un même compartiment de parterre, et nous continuons de marquer par le signe + celles d'une végétation un peu plus grande et par celui de — les variétés qui poussent modérément.
+Hermosa, rose tendre.
Discussion id : 102-437
most recent 10 JUL HIDE POSTS
Initial post 10 JUL by scvirginia
From The Floricultural Cabinet, October 1st, 1838, pp.225:
A List of the most Superb Roses in the Varied Classes. Selected by Mr. Charles Wood, Maresfield Nursery, Uckfield, Sussex.
An abridged List of Select Roses.
Armosa, splendid pink, cupped.
Discussion id : 94-042
most recent 20 JUL 16 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 20 JUL 16 by AquaEyes
There is some interesting news for 'Hermosa'. It seems that a recent genetic study has identified more than one individual is going around under this name, even though to our eyes essentially similar enough to seem identical. This reminded me of something I read in "The Graham Stuart Thomas Rose Book" from 1994. In the back, he included some writings of Dr. C. C. Hurst. On page 313, Dr. Hurst begins a discussion about the Bourbons. On the following page (314) was this bit:

"...Although from the first the Bourbon was a distinct type of Rose with its stout prickly stems, vivid rose-colored flowers with rounded imbricated petals and broad leathery leaves, various breaks occurred from time to time through segregation as well as through hybridization. Between 1834 and 1841 the China reversion 'Hermosa' appeared independently with four different breeders, and it is unlikely that all these were due to a China back-cross...."

Essentially, he posited that as Bourbons self-seeded, China characteristics sometimes emerged predominantly, resulting in a sort of "throwback" to 'Old Blush'. The result would be a very China-like rose, perhaps a bit more robust with its dash of Bourbon. This is also likely what "Sophie's Perpetual" is -- a China-reversion from Bourbon breeding. But in any case, this could explain why named plants of 'Hermosa' today are not all genetically identical.


Reply #1 of 2 posted 20 JUL 16 by Give me caffeine
Fascinating. Do you have a link to the recent study?
Reply #2 of 2 posted 20 JUL 16 by AquaEyes
Apparently the article referencing the study is in the American Rose magazine issue which came out this month (July 2016). I have not read it, but I have seen discussion of it, and that triggered my memory of the passage I typed out above.


Discussion id : 92-544
most recent 5 MAY 16 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 5 MAY 16 by Sambolingo
A friend shared a cutting of this plant with me, along with a note following its passage from home to home within her family. The rose is very charming, although there is no fragrance; the plant has occasional episodes involving black spot. It blooms throughout the season in regular flushes.
Reply #1 of 1 posted 5 MAY 16 by Jay-Jay
Nice story! Over here, it smells like an old rose combined with the scent of old-fashioned sweets (strawberry/raspberry-mix).
Not very strong, but also not faint or absent. I would call it moderate. When it flowers, I regularly walk to it, bend over and enjoy a whiff.
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