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'Candy Rain' rose Reviews & Comments
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Like a lot of Austin Roses, this one has a very good fruity rose-fragrance at the beginning, when opening; but when the flowers age, they get smelly, or even stinky (sewer-like). It doesn't last long on a vase: only 1-2 days.
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Is this the rose Abraham Darby?
It was sold as the climbing rose Eden to people that own an art-garden "De Kunsthoek" in Hijken.
Obviously it isn't Eden and also doesn't smell like that-one.
It grows under a roof that lets light get through, but no rain. It is huge and the canes are up to over 5 m.
It has a typical fruity/citrus smell, that matches some Austins.
I'll upload some (outside) photo's of buds and flowers.
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I have to say I find it very ironic that Abraham Darby has the most votes here for disease resistance making it the highest rated rose in that category. It is a lovely rose if you're talking about the blossoms, but the plant is hardly cast iron. In my San Francisco garden it is susceptible to blackspot and mildew to some extent, and a positive martyr to rust. I have the plant in my garden -- don't get me wrong! I love the flowers: their gorgeous coppery pinks, the masses of petals and the delicious fragrance that melds sweet damask and fruit aromas. But the shrub is hardly perfect and it just seems silly it should be rated so highly here for its disease resistance.
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Reply #1 of 5 posted 5 JUN 09 by Gagnon98
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I concur with your assessement. I purchase AD last Spring 2008. It bloomed well during the summer but developed a terrific bout of blackspot in my CT garden. So badly that it was nearly completely defoliated. It tried to come back a bit when it cooled off. I can only imagine what it must look like with the blackspot kept at bay. Also, we had a fairly rough winter in 2008-09 and it did not come out of it very well. All growth died to the ground, I have a small bit of growth this season with one miserly bud developing at I write this. We'll have to see how well it grows this summer to see if it is worth saving. Also I could probably have planted this a bit deeper as the bud union is exposed at the soil surface.
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i have planted this rose as one of the first austins“s in my garden about five years ago and used to keep it rather short - almost like a hybrid tea, which was a big failure. since i train it as a pillar-rose, it happens to be much less prone to mildew and blakspot. furthermore i started to mulch the ground underneath, which is always helpful against fungial infections.
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Reply #3 of 5 posted 13 JAN 10 by Gagnon98
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Unfortunately my AD bit the dust last summer. Never grew. What little growth I got shriveled up and died. Tossed the plant in the woods. I am quite sure this Spring I will substitute it for a number of new roses that I'll order and plant!
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Believe me, if a plant is susceptible to rust, it will get rust in San Francisco. Alas, how you prune or mulch has little or no effect. Coastal California is rose rust country. Blackspot can be a problem, as can mildew, but these are generally trifling matters compared to rust. Roses like AD that are highly susceptible defoliate repeatedly over the growing season and can be so weakened they shrink over time.
I am going to try mancozeb this coming season on my most susceptible plants. I hope this experiment works, especially on AD.
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Reply #5 of 5 posted 10 OCT by mtspace
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In his book "Thinking Fast and Slow," Nobel-winning author Daniel Kahneman explains the phenomenon - not using Abe Darby as an example, of course. It seems we have a mental habit of throwing things into bins like "good" and "bad." If we absolutely love Abraham Darby's blooms and the fragrance of the rose, we may judge it "good." And at that point, unless we are "thinking slow" we begin to exclude "bad" characteristics from our mental model of it: it's a "good" rose, for gosh sakes. Of course, a large portion of the book is taken up explaining all the ways our judgment is compromised by our fast-thinking processes.
I participate in a rose forum. One week I'll rave about a rose. People will go "oooh aaaah." The next week I'll find something bad to say about that same rose. I'll say it out loud, and there will be total silence. The second bit of information is not consistent with the first, which established that the rose was "good." I think that's what happens, anyway. Maybe it has something to do with heresy.
At another level, I think your experience with Abe Darby may not be typical of rose growers across the US. The microclimate of coastal California is very different from the climate even thirty miles inland. Once you get to the other side of the Rockies, things change much more. Roses that do well from, say, Missouri north, east, and south tend to be ill-suited to much of California. And vice versa. I think the reputation that Abraham Darby has of good disease resistance might trace back to all those gardeners east of the Rockies whose rose gardens are completely leveled each year by blackspot - or would be if they grew the popular exhibition-winning hybrid teas popular on the west coast. Abe Darby was one of the first widely distributed roses that they could be successful with in about half a century. (I know this from having grown a hundred or so rose cultivars when I lived for a decade in NJ.) I have been told repeatedly by a rose gardener near Santa Rosa that it is impossible to grow roses in San Francisco because of the coolish weather and the fog. So even the cultivars bred on the west coast for west coast gardeners tend to fail where you live, I am told. If that is true, then your rust ridden Abe Darby might be well above average in terms of disease performance for roses in SF.
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Abe is new to my garden this year, but has been blooming almost non stop. It has developed BS in my garden, but it is responding well to organic spraying. However, it is a water hog and needs a drink every day or it sulks.
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 24 JAN 09 by Gagnon98
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I'll agree with this comment. Just bought it Summer 2008. Bloomed wonderfully but contracted BS in my garden and never got over it all season. Even after spraying (I'm new to rose gardening and took some time to find something at the local big box stores) it still suffered and was nearly leafless by fall but it still attempted to keep on blooming. So, it's a trooper. I'll give it another season and see how it does. It definitely LOVES water!
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 9 OCT by mtspace
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When I tried growing it in NJ Abe Darby died of thirst. But here in AZ I tried it again and watered it every day of the growing season for a year. Then every other day the second year. Now in its fifth year it gets by on the water left over from my watering newer roses around its six foot wide periphery. Not much need for spraying; only Gingersnap and Cressida are touched by BS in my garden.
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