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'Eglantine' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 54-135
most recent 24 SEP 15 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 13 MAY 11 by Fred Boutin
Found years ago at a old garden on Baretta St. in Sonora, CA. Thought it was the Poly 'Eglantine', but seems to be the same as what is in the trade as 'Papa Hemeray'.
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Reply #1 of 4 posted 23 SEP 15 by Patricia Routley
Shall we reassign the name "Baretta Street Poly" to 'Papa Hemeray'? And do you know if Jean Marion's photo is "Baretta Street Poly" or 'Eglantine'?
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Reply #2 of 4 posted 23 SEP 15 by Fred Boutin
Hello Patricia, I am not clear on what is what in the mixture that is presented as Papa Hemeray in the HMF photos. There seems to be at least three different roses in these photos. These being 1 Christine McCleod's, 2 Anita Clevenger's from Rosa Gallica Roseaie,and then 3 the balance of the photos. I have not seen a confirming plate or photo or description that allows us to separate and name them with confidence. If Eglantine 1930 is among them I don't know.

I found this Poly on Baretta St. in Sonora about 1983 and distributed it as Baretta St. Poly. I believe Joyce Demits cataloged it under that name and also Beautiful Poly. As I tried to identify it I recognized that it was probably derived from some Crimson Rambler descendant. About the time I was zeroing in on Eglantine as a possibility I received reports that Baretta St. Poly matched what Vintage was offering as Papa Hemeray. So that may be an id but then again it seems far from clear. Fred

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Reply #3 of 4 posted 24 SEP 15 by Patricia Routley
Thanks Fred. I have some notes on file and it seems as though we should be looking closely at the pedicels on these single red polys. I will go to the books and add what refs I can find for 'Eglantine', 'Mme. Francisque Favre', 'Britannia' etc. (think I have done 'Papa Hemeray'). Might take some time as, after the worst bushfire in Western Australia's history last February, the bush is alive with orchids and today is my husband's 87 birthday - so we are a-orchiding today.
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Reply #4 of 4 posted 24 SEP 15 by Patricia Routley
It appears HelpMeFind has two files for the foundling, so I will move "Baretta Street Poly" out of 'Eglantine' and into to the file which contains "Beautiful Poly" and Baretta St. Single Poly. I will also send Jean Marion a private message to ask her what her photo was. (This points out the need for everyone to put the name of the rose on every photo.)
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