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'Golden Emblem' rose Reviews & Comments
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Responding further to Petera’s photo of Golden Emblem’
Billy’s 1926 illustration; Simon Voorwinde’s photo of his bush ‘Golden Emblem’ (provenance Ladybird Roses); and Margaret’s comments on the climber ‘Golden Emblem Climbing’ mentioned red prickles.
It seems the provenance of your bush ‘Golden Emblem’ would have been
?-1; Ladybird Roses-2; Ruston’s-3; and you would be caretaker no. 4.
Simon Voorwinde would have the same clone and his provenance would be
?-1; Ladybird Roses-2; Simon Voorwinde-3. His photo of the bush ‘Golden Emblem’ shows red thorns.
It might be good to have bud photos as the references for the bush ‘Golden Emblem’ say:
1926-48 with crimson on the buds
1928-10 striped with crimson on the outer petals.
1936-237 buds, shaded red and flecked
1993-214 Bud yellow, splashed and shaded red.
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#1 of 6 posted
28 DEC 19 by
petera
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There is only a trace of pink on the outsides of the current buds but the heat has wrecked them. Pictures might have to wait for better weather in the autumn, provided this place does not burn too. I did get my current plant from John N.
About 6 years ago from Thomas's I got McGredy's Yellow labelled Golden Emblem. I still have that plant but it is not all that strong a grower and suffered badly in last years heat.
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Provenance of the bush is ?-1; Ladybird Roses -2; Simon Voorwinde - 3; Bruce Treloar - 4; Rustons - 5; John N - 6; Petera - 7. Old roses travel.
Good to hear that John got the climber going too.
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#3 of 6 posted
29 DEC 19 by
 HubertG
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Sir Arthur Streeton painted a picture of a vase of 'Golden Emblem' in 1934. There is certainly a pink flush on the flowers. There are a few copies online, but the colour rendition varies between them so I'm not sure which to upload.
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#4 of 6 posted
29 DEC 19 by
petera
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Best I could find http://www.artnet.com/artists/arthur-streeton/roses-golden-emblem-hQMJE07wJ3G2LhIruYDaUg2
Unfortunately Streeton was an impressionist.
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#5 of 6 posted
29 DEC 19 by
HubertG
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Thanks petera, although I had already uploaded a copy. Streeton was mainly known for his landscapes but he was an excellent flower painter too in my opiniion. I was looking at his painting of 'Lady Hillingdon' when I was searching for his 'Golden Emblem' and recognised it instantly from the colour and form wihout knowing what it was. His style may have been somewhat impressionistic but I think he captures the essence of the blooms very accurately. He painted 'La France' too.
Edit: I just added his 'Lady Hillingdon' for comparison. He even paints the touches of crimson you sometimes see on some LH buds. I think the colour is very accurate, so I assume that his 'Golden Emblem' is well-done colour-wise too.
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#6 of 6 posted
17 APR 20 by
petera
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I have just uploaded two photos I took today, 17 April 2020. The buds have red on them dentical to your Armstrong's catalogue picture, and the prickles are now red, unlike earlier in the season. I concede, it's 'Golden Emblem'! The autumn flowers are beautifully coloured.
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There was a question over the accuracy of the ID of the second plant received by the HRIA Collection at Ruston's (from Ladybird Roses) - David R said it wasn't the colour he remembered. The Cl Golden Emblem (from Thomas for Roses) appeared different and we hoped it might be correct. The chances of comparing them are pretty well gone now - the bush was in a row slashed to ground level last year, and though many in the row re-shot, it is likely that neither they nor the climbers would receive water in this seriously hot summer. (The Riverland had a 48 C day recently). I don't know whether the climber survived the bushfire which went through Thomas for Roses recently.
The climber had red new prickles.
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Margaret, thanks for everything you do. There is a tiny obstacle in that there were two climbing sports of ‘Golden Emblem’, both originating in America.
‘Clara Bow’ 1927
Golden Emblem Cl.’ 1927
Do we have any way of determining the provenance of the Thomas For Roses clone of ‘Golden Emblem Climbing’? Probably not, and I suspect the elderly owners might not welcome questions like that right now. Offers of physical help might not go astray if anyone in South Australia has any energy after the dreadful heat you have been having.
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#2 of 2 posted
28 DEC 19 by
petera
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I believe John Nieuwesteeg has some young plants of Golden Emblem Climbing from Ruston's. I could compare my plant with them but can't do that until February as I am travelling again. I have been trying to make a home for all the Pernetianas we could salvage from Ruston's but am running out of space and especially water this year.
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Its good to see these real photos. You can really see where the yellow and mauve HT lines got their thin wood from.
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The first plant sent to the HRIAI Collection at Ruston's (Australia) under this name was McGredy's Yellow. David Ruston thinks the second one is also incorrect, but I haven't seen it flowering or a photo of it (other than those on hmf, which would be of the same clone).
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