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Discussion id : 111-073
most recent 31 MAY HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 28 MAY by Margaret Furness
There is some discussion under "Agnes Smith'. The Tealadies' research indicates that the original Hume's Blush disappeared in Europe in the 19th century. There are a number of Hume's Blush candidates around, but none with continuity of the name - they're all speculative.
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Reply #1 of 13 posted 29 MAY by Andrew from Dolton
Thank you Margaret. Most of the pictures of 'Hume's Blush Tea-Scented China' share similar traits to each other even to the old paintings. CASS' pictures have more in common with 'Agnes Smith' than the 'Hume's Blush Tea-Scented China' in commerce.
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Reply #2 of 13 posted 29 MAY by HubertG
I've read that Pernetianas were often grafted on 'Odorata' rootstock because they often didn't take to regularly used stocks. I'm not sure if the 'Odorata' used in the early 20th century would be the same as Hume's Blush.
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Reply #3 of 13 posted 29 MAY by Andrew from Dolton
That's interesting HerbertG, I always thought that there had been a surviving plant at Sangerhausen. I'm not saying that anyone is right or wrong but the pictures posted by CASS are different to the others.
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Reply #4 of 13 posted 29 MAY by HubertG
Andrew, they were American references too. If it had survived as a usable rootstock into the 20thC, it could be still be growing wild somewhere.
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Reply #5 of 13 posted 29 MAY by Patricia Routley
Another synonym for the rootstock R. indica major is Odorata 22449.
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Reply #6 of 13 posted 29 MAY by Andrew from Dolton
Very true HerbertG, I've found several roses growing where old cottages once stood that must have survived well over 100 years.
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Reply #7 of 13 posted 29 MAY by Margaret Furness
It's possible that "Agnes Smith" was used as an understock, which might explain why it is sometimes sold as Irene Watts.
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Reply #8 of 13 posted 29 MAY by HubertG
Just my two cents, but I don't feel that "Agnes Smith" is the original Hume's Blush. Agnes is always various shades of a clear pink for me. Not really like the early descriptions in colour, in my opinion.
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Reply #9 of 13 posted 29 MAY by HubertG
Andrew, your most recently posted photo of this rose (where you show the backs and a bud) does tie in with this 1828 reference ... " it is nearest allied to the Rosa indica but still of a paler colour when in full bloom, and sometimes nearly white; yet the under side of the outer petals is strongly marked with a deepy purply red, which gives it, in the bud state, an appearance of being a high-coloured rose."
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Reply #10 of 13 posted 29 MAY by Andrew from Dolton
Ah that is interesting. After the flowers have opened a day or so they go an ivory colour but like you say always with the dark colour still on the backs.
I have uploaded another picture.
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Reply #11 of 13 posted 29 MAY by HubertG
Andrew, in you new photo the terminal leaflet does appear to be the largest one like the early references describe.
Does it smell anything of tea?
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Reply #12 of 13 posted 30 MAY by Andrew from Dolton
Oh like "a freshly open packet of China tea" so I'm told they're supposed to smell of, I have to say I can't smell it myself. The crushed leaves just have a sort of leafy smell whilst the flowers haven't got a very defined rose fragrance their smell reminds me of sweet peas. I thought they were called Tea roses because some came from China and they arrived in the west aboard tea clipper ships.
The terminal leaflet is about half as long again as the four side leaves.
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Reply #13 of 13 posted 31 MAY by HubertG
That freshly opened chest of tea quote always irks me a bit because I've always felt that the Teas that smell most like tea, smell like the scent of the vapour when you take the lid off the teapot.
Lol maybe that's just my nose, but I don't detect a dried tea scent in any of them.
I'm pretty sure the name arose when Hume's Blush was called the 'China Rose scented of tea' by the French and the name just stuck for the whole class.
The sweet pea scent you detect is interesting - they are usually very fragrant. For what it's worth, Maman Cochet is the rose in whose fragrance I can detect the closest thing to real tea.
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Discussion id : 104-143
most recent 7 AUG HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 7 AUG by CybeRose
Reference:
A Short Treatise on Horticulture
Book (1828) Page(s) 146.
The last line should read: "There is also a variety with single flowers, and another with double <b>yellow</b> flowers, which are yet rare."
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Discussion id : 101-691
most recent 30 JUN HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 30 JUN by CybeRose
Periodical catalogue of greenhouse shrubs, vines, herbaceous plants, and bulbous roots: cultivated and for sale at the Linnaean Botanic Garden, 
Flushing, near New-York. (1832) p. 157
William Prince & Sons, Proprietors

546 Tea scented, of exquisite fragrance - indica odorata
579 Vanilla scented, extremely fragrant - indica odoratissima
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Discussion id : 100-712
most recent 11 JUN 17 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 11 JUN 17 by CybeRose
Transactions of the Horticultural Society of London
Magazine (1842) Page(s) 254.
Observations upon the Effects produced on Plants by the Frost which occurred in England in the Winter of 1837-8. By John Lindley, Ph. D. F. R. S. &c. &c. Vice Secretary.
Read December 4, 1838.
The white and yellow China Rose, the sweet scented hybrid, Hamon, and Blairii, were entirely destroyed even in Hampshire

The phrase "the sweet scented hybrid" refers to Hamon. I.e., the sweet scented hybrid (Hamon),

This is an example of the ambiguity of commas: they may separate items in a list, and they may be used in place of parentheses. They are confusing when used in both ways in the same sentence.
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