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' Rosa X odorata' rose Reviews & Comments
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I apologise for mistakenly saying our clone came from china. It was given to me by Helga Brichet but was found on a field trip to Laos by Mr Katsuhiko Maebara and Prof Yoshihuro Ueda
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We have several candidates for this rose, Bermuda spice and Beales Odorata. These are very similer. Then there is the Fun Jwan Lo, this came to us as Humes blush, probably originating from the Sangerhausen plant that had lost its graft leaving only the rootstock. The Chinese form looks very close to the Redoute Lithograth, this came to us from Helga Brichet who imported it from China. Then there is Agnes Smith, the Australian version. We havn't seen this flower yet, and finally something originating from the Palermo botanical gardens given to us by the Ducrot's near Rome
La Roseraie du desert
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Which of these are recurrent John?
The name 'odorata' has been used for a number of specific rose varieties, in addition to its early generic use. Plenty of potential for confusion and misunderstanding!
L. A.Wyatt received a rose named 'Odorata' from Sangerhausen over 30 years ago and distributed it widely as 'Hume's Blush Tea-scented China'. He later wrote that it turned out to be the under-stock Indica major.
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All of them are recurrent but I don't know about Agnes Smith yet, but you would know about this (I recieved budwood from Helga Brichet a month ago, probably originating from you)
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"Agnes Smith" blooms over the whole year here. It's as recurrent as 'Old Blush' - a real monthly rose. I'm glad you have it. It's a beautiful rose.
As with a number of other foundlings, the distinguishing features match up with those of 'Hume's Blush' in Redoute and Andrews but there isn't enough evidence to go any further and its original identity remains a mystery.
It was discovered growing on a grave and given the name of the person on the stone.
The dates on the grave stone indicate that Agnes Smith died in July 1893 and that her husband Archibald died in 1901. So if the rose was planted at around this time, the original plant is now over 100 years old.
It grows like a lightly built Tea or a China-Tea. Lovely sweet tea rose fragrance and it sets hips.
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#1 of 3 posted
30 APR 08 by
 Cass
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Something is diploid, but Timo....is it really Hume's Blush Scented China? There has been a rush to introduce unidentified cultivars as various heritage roses. This is a key example.
Some of the photographs clearly confuse the rootstock Odorata aka Fun Jwan Lo with Hume's Blush.
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Both parent Rosa chinensis Jacq. and Rosa gigantea Collett are diploid.
Have bought Odorata this year at Loubert and I 'll look at it.
Next year I get an Hume's which was imported from China last year. I'll look at that one to.
regards,
Timo
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#3 of 3 posted
30 APR 08 by
Cass
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Hi, Timo, We look forward to your investigation and really appreciate your contribution to HMF. I hope you will post your pictures of you Rosa x odoratas candidates with notes about the sources of your plants.
I believe that the parentage of Hume's Blush is more of a hypothesis than a certainty. By the way, If we ever find a verified Hume's Blush, I agree no one would be surprised if it were diploid.
As for getting the right hybrid from China now, 200 years later, that should be interesting.
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