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'Memorial Day ™' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 95-345
most recent 25 DEC SHOW ALL
Initial post 11 OCT 16 by Lavenderlace
I've found that this rose is quite unhappy grown next to the Austins, who require a lot more water in high heat. I wish that I would have planted my twenty next to more moderate drinkers as it's been quite a chore to keep everybody happy!
Reply #1 of 18 posted 12 OCT 16 by Jay-Jay
So You noticed that too, that the Austins are greedy for (need a lotta) water!
Reply #2 of 18 posted 12 OCT 16 by Lavenderlace
Definitely! But I've been blaming the poor Memorial Days for getting so upset about it as the Austins were there first. I should have planted them in separate areas, rather than mixed rows.
Reply #3 of 18 posted 20 MAY 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Meilland & French Romantica need to be watered more frequently than Austin roses. Own-root Frederic Mistral has a HUGE root, but it's a spreading root, rather than a deep root like own-root Austin. Meilland roses with a wide-growth habit need to be watered more often than Austin roses with a narrow, deep root.

OWN-ROOT Austin roses are more winter-hardy & more drought-tolerant than OWN-ROOT French roses, Austin roses have DEEP-ROOT (deeper than 1 foot), rather than a spreading surface root like French roses: Firefighter, Liv Tyler, Frederic Mistral, Sweet Promise 2007, and Bolero died after 5 years, thanks to a dry winter with no snow. Dug them up and was shocked at how shallow the roots are compared to own-root Austin roses. Recently moved Dee-lish (Meilland) and the root spread out the surface, rather than a straight stick down like Austin roses.

Meilland French roses have big & woody roots, but it's spread out on a surface .. need at least 6 inch. of leaves to keep moist through a dry winter. Own-root Austin roses easily survived more than seven zone 5a winters, except for wimpy Jude the Obscure (own-root).
Reply #4 of 18 posted 20 MAY 17 by Lavenderlace
Thanks for the great info! Do you think that Fred will like sandy soil if he's kept wet enough? Mine are still in the pot.
Reply #5 of 18 posted 20 MAY 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Lavenderlace: Since your climate is hot & dry, and tap-water is alkaline, I would mix peat moss (pH 4) with your sand like Columbus Rose Park in Ohio did to their sandy soil to retain moisture. They also mixed in slow-released fertilizer since nutrients leach fast in sandy soil. For organic approach, TomatoTone (higher in potassium & with calcium) is more effective mixing in with sand than RoseTone. My Fred used a decent amount of sulfate of potash to pump out 40+ blooms per flush.

Frederic Mistral has light-green foliage, so it needs slightly-acidic soil for best blooming (peatmoss is acidic). Meilland roses really need THICK MULCHING over the entire bed. When I move Fred, roots were spreading on the top 6" of the soil, so at least 6" of mulch is needed (horse manure).

I kept my Fred healthy for years with horse manure, but the minute I dumped bagged cow-manure (with quick lime) .. it broke out in blackspots. Cow manure is too salty for waterhogs, and chemical quick lime is unstable and zapped out the anti-fungal nutrients (zinc, copper, and boron). Plus there's antibiotics in cow manure which destroyed the nitrogen-fixing bacteria.
Reply #6 of 18 posted 20 MAY 17 by Lavenderlace
Thanks Straw! I think that I might keep them in the pots a bit longer to make sure that I love the scent since I've heard mixed reviews. I've been digging up and moving too many these days!
Reply #7 of 18 posted 20 MAY 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Lavenderlace: Good idea to keep Fred in a pot longer to restrain him. He gets HUGE in the ground. Fred scent was too sharp at the rose park, but mellowed out in my alkaline clay, but I won't rave about its scent.

Got my 1st bloom of Barbra Streisand today .. AMAZING SCENT just like folks said. It's better than Angel Face (too lemony), better than Heirloom (too spicy in hot weather), and better than Bluegirl (a bit harsh). Barbra Streisand scent can easily compete with Old Garden roses (Comte de Chambord and Duchess de Rohan). I prefer Barbra Streisand's scent OVER Sonia Rykiel (too fruity), Radio Times (too candy-sweet), and Bolero (waterlily). Fragrantnutter in Rose Forum stated that Barbra Streisand scent is better than Young Lycidas.

Barbra Streisand has a blackspot reputation with its dark-green-foliage, but NOT a problem for my alkaline clay. Blackspot roses are perfect for dry & hot climate & alkaline-tap-water. It's the LIGHT GREEN foliage like Frederic Mistral that gave me trouble: need tons of acidic rain to bloom. Dark-green foliage means the roots do a good job secreting acid to break down minerals for blooming, but it will cause blackspot in acidic-rain region, or acid soil.
Reply #8 of 18 posted 20 MAY 17 by Lavenderlace
Oh that's great to hear about Barbra S! I've been afraid to try her after the BS reports since I had such bad luck with Heirloom.
Reply #9 of 18 posted 21 MAY 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Heirloom has light-green foliage and wimpy (both as own-root and as grafted). Barbra Streissand is the tallest & most vigorous & most blooms among the 7 own-roots I received. Next most vigorous is Lagerfeld, and Nahema is the wimpiest as gallon-size-own-root. Nahema has the reputation of being stingy for less-rain folks (died in my zone 5a winter, so I have to buy another one).

Own-root Barbra Streissand with its vigor and dark-green foliage, will bloom easily with alkaline tap water, no need for rain.
Reply #10 of 18 posted 21 MAY 17 by Lavenderlace
My grafted Heirloom does look as bad as the own-root! I know a lot of people have good luck with this one though.

Very happy that you found one with a great scent in your climate. It's so fun when everything just clicks with a certain variety!
Reply #11 of 18 posted 25 DEC by Michael Garhart
Geoff Hamilton has been quite water conservative for me.

Jude the Obscure was greedy when grafted, but self-sufficient own root.

Jubilee Celebration has been average for water in all respects, but its a short Austin, like Geoff Hamilton is. Its grown in front of Solitaire, which is fairly water conservative.
Reply #12 of 18 posted 25 DEC by Nastarana
During three years in CA, Central Valley, GH never bloomed for me. I think he needs perhaps moderate water all season, and maybe can't tolerate dry soil, either that or doesn't like high heat.
Reply #13 of 18 posted 25 DEC by Michael Garhart
I am not sure. I water it very little at all, and it blooms in 3 seperate flushes, just like a floribunda. But I also live in Oregon. Its also quite clean, which I find amazing. Heritage, its parent, rarely ever bloomed here. It just tried to grow and grow.
Reply #19 of 18 posted 25 DEC by Nastarana
I have lived in OR, including the Willamette Valley, and in CA, and the CV soils are much dryer than those of the WV. Don't forget that the CA water table has been drawn down by generations of water intensive agriculture.

I once planted Annelino Beans, which are from Italy, similar climate, and the beans sprouted and then died. I feel sure they could not tolerate the dry soil.
Reply #14 of 18 posted 25 DEC by Jay-Jay
▲ At first: Merry Christmas to You all. ▲

This year in spring, I cut back the bulk of the Austins, for those got a lot bigger than predicted/described.
But I had the mishap, that we experienced an exceptionally dry year. So in spite of the fact that they were established, they almost didn't grow and almost didn't flower at all. And no repeat flowering.
Only Constance Spry seemed to do well (as usual), as the other older Austin varieties did, like the Mary Rose, Redouté, Winchester Cathedral and Tamora.
All the plants are grafted. For Austins on own root do not survive or thrive in our garden.
From September on, it has been raining a lot, but that was too late, to start all over.
None died, so we'll see, what next season will bring.

PS: Despite the lack of rain, the large flowered climbers and the once blooming climbers thrived last year and didn't seem to bother about the "drought", the old roses didn't too!
So the latter seem to have an advantage, compared to the "new oldies" from Austin.
Reply #15 of 18 posted 25 DEC by Michael Garhart
Merry Christmas to you too :D

My first two Austins were Heritage, which I hated, and Ambridge Rose. The latter was pretty drought tolerant, and not really a huge rose. It was nice. Too wispy for my taste, but pretty easy to grow.
Reply #17 of 18 posted 25 DEC by Michael Garhart
JC can't bloom upright here lol. The blooms are 6-7" in the spring, and firmly face-planted right into the ground. I keep it anyway. The foliage is pretty and the summer blooms have a very intricate color.
Reply #18 of 18 posted 25 DEC by Jay-Jay
I had to laugh, when I read, what You wrote: Face down into the "dirt"! Not scar-face, but mud-face.
The scent is good too, for as long as it lasts.
The flowers do not get that big (as You describe) over here, but they only nod, for the plants were getting huge and sturdy, so the flowers looked over their neighbors' shoulders, or got stuck in them at some "altitude".

In my humble opinion, A Shropshire Lad is still the healthiest and best performing Austin... At least in our garden.
Discussion id : 105-942
most recent 9 OCT HIDE POSTS
Initial post 9 OCT by NorthWestRider
Own-root Memorial Day rose survived two zone 5\6 winters.
Discussion id : 95-564
most recent 25 OCT 16 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 25 OCT 16 by Alexday
I've mixed feelings about this rose. I like it because it has a nice sweet damask fragrance and is low in thorns. I don't like it because the bush is a giant that is both too wide and tall, the blooms do not have an attractive form, and it's a pink color that has some lavender in it which to me looks dull. I will probably replace it with another fragrant pink if I can find someone to help me dig out this monster of a rose.
Discussion id : 61-119
most recent 17 OCT 12 SHOW ALL
Initial post 18 JAN 12 by goncmg
Oh boy this is one of the ones that will soon have me over a barrel as my space is limited. It is a HAPPY rose, that is what hurts me. It grows willingly, grows big, blooms willingly, blooms big. The fragrance is notable. The color is actually, being brutally honest, not that appealing! A wan lighter medium pink with sullen tone to it, I think this is spun in the marketing as "orchid." The plant also, big and happy and lusty as it is, does grow a little zig-zaggy with canes jutting across and over and making a mess...........and the thrips! They love this one and they love Tiffany and leave my other 98 alone. If you are starting out as a rose grower and want that SMELL of a rose and need something that just GROWS then I would say try this one. For those of us who have been growing for many years, I think we can appreciate the healthy plant but there are just better, clearer colorsn and more interesting varieties in this range out there............curious to see how this one ages in the AARS ratings and so on..........reminds me of SWEET SURRENDER to an extent............for anyone who has never HEARD of Sweet Surrender, well, those are the lines you just read between..........
Reply #1 of 4 posted 28 MAY 12 by LauraG
Interesting to read this...because I'm also lukewarm about it. While it grows and blooms like crazy, and is very healthy, I'm just not that fond of it.
Reply #2 of 4 posted 28 MAY 12 by goncmg
Laura, your timing is flawless. This one "wins" my award for BEST FIRST BLOOM. It is stunning now, 12 long stemmed fragrant "beauties" its 4th year and NEVER have I seen this performance, this is catalog picture stuff. Kicker? I STILL DO NOT "LOVE" IT. !!!!!. I hugged it (!), I told it I was PROUD of it, I will not discard it, but just not into it................
Reply #3 of 4 posted 7 JUN 12 by Gagnon98
I'll agree with you. This is only year three for me with my Memorial Day. I wanted it for YEARS because of the pictures in the catalogs. Last year it bloomed very well, not overly profusely. The army of voles last fall took it's toll on this bush. Thought I truly lost it. I could have easily plucked it from the ground but instead stomped on it. This Spring it is blooming for me, again not profusely, but big gorgeous form. I have ONE in a vase in my office and it was almost too much for me and nearly got rid of it. But after a couple days the scent has calmed down a bit. Like, you both I cannot stand the color of this rose, especially in the middle of summer when the flower is opened wide. For me, it's almost gray.
Reply #4 of 4 posted 17 OCT 12 by mtspace
I grew Memorial Day (3) in my zone 6b garden In the same bed were planted New Zealand (3), Gemini (3), Double Delight (3) MAAB(3) and Belami (3). Belami, MAAB, and Double Delight died of blackspot before the first fall. Gemini and New Zealand were removed at the end of the second season because they were being reduced to nothing by the same disease. Memorial Day was symptom-free the whole time. It was also the least cold hardy of these roses: I lost one of three over the first winter.

I must say that I was impressed by the plant: it was vigorous and shrubby, and clad with very dark green and disease-free leaves. But the flowers always seemed a little plain to me. The dusky pink of the petals is not a color that appeals to me much. They aren't that long, by HT standards. And there is precious little of the reflexing petal thing going on that I think defines the classic HT form. It's definitional not for arbitrary reasons but for aesthetic ones. A hybrid tea rose with a petal that doesn't curl just a bit is really more of a shrub rose, IMO.

While it is marginally cold hardy to zone 6b in the east, I lost one here in zone 7b AZ mountains. Not completely sure whether it was spring freeze/thaw cycling or lack of water. Two years later the rootstock is seven feet tall and awaiting budding to serve as a tree rose. Many roses I feel sad to lose. This one, not so much.
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