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"Tamalpais Homestead Tea" rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 111-745
most recent 26 JUN HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 26 JUN by lisapetaluma
Mine is finally arriving this week, yay! Concerning your comments about THT preferring cool weather, I live in Petaluma, would she be happy lightly shaded by trees? Don't want to bake her. Thank you!
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Discussion id : 84-131
most recent 21 MAY 15 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 4 APR 15 by Cass
I thought "Tamalpais Homestead Tea" could be 'Elie Beauvilain.' After I compared the anatomy of the receptacle, I am about 80% convinced they are different. I'll post the images here soon.
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Reply #1 of 5 posted 5 APR 15 by Patricia Routley
In California on May 16, 2005 at Gregg and Phillip’s home garden, I recognised their ‘Elie Beauvilain’ as being the same as our Western Australian “Mr. Williams Gloire de Dijon”. And yet at El Cerrito I saw a bloom of “Tamalpias Homestead tea” on the show tables, and only noted its name. You took us to see that incredibly beautiful [mother plant] bush and it seemed to be more lush and have more petals and I still did not make the connection. I know you would have compared ‘Tamalpias Homestead tea” with the Vintage plant?

Does anyone know if there has ever been any follow up to Jedmar’s comment on ‘Gloire de Libourne’ in the yellow Journal des Roses illustration in the ‘Elie Beauvilain’ file?
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Reply #2 of 5 posted 5 APR 15 by Cass
I must take a look. I took apart the blooms of both "Tamalpais Homestead Tea" and Elie Beauvilain and convinced myself they are NOT the same. Bloom shape and color are quite similar, but the receptacles, sepals and pistils are different.
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Reply #3 of 5 posted 6 APR 15 by Margaret Furness
It would be interesting to compare it with John Hook's "Le Parre" (sorry, can't do the accent), which he thought was Belle de Bordeaux. I don't know if he still thinks so.
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Reply #4 of 5 posted 21 MAY 15 by Gartenjockels kleine gaerten
cass, i have uploaded some detailled pictures of 'le parré' in my garden. do you recognize any faint resemblance?
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Reply #5 of 5 posted 21 MAY 15 by Cass
Yes but I can't distinguish your rose from Elie Beauvilain on my iPhone. Certainly "Tamalpais Homestead Tea" would never be mistaken for a noisette. It grows bolt upright. Only the blooms nod.
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Discussion id : 43-830
most recent 11 APR 10 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 11 APR 10 by Cass
I believe this may be a Hybrid Tea. I thinned my plant this year and removed at roughly two thirds of the canes. The plant immediately responded with strong new growth. The blooms appear in typical Tea-shaped inflorescences.
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Discussion id : 32-394
most recent 15 DEC 08 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 15 DEC 08 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
Looks most like 'Baronne Henriette de Snoy' to me.
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Reply #1 of 3 posted 15 DEC 08 by Cass
Robert, I considered the Baronne several years ago and acquired it from two sources. Her blooms are much deeper cups in my gardens. The foliage is also terrible by local standards, prone to blackspot. In your hot garden, the Baronne may be flatter, but up here, "Tamalpais Homestead Tea" is very much flatter, grown side -by-by with the Baronne in the same garden bed. Also, the foliage shape is different. "Tamalpais Homestead Tea" has much rounder, shinier foliage....like more modern hybrids. It is finally growing well, so I will try to start cuttings next year.
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Reply #2 of 3 posted 15 DEC 08 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
If they are not the same I would guess they are closely allied so you might look at other close cousins as viable candidates for identification.

I'm convinced that cultivars drift in appearance over time due to bud and cutting selection. That's why inferior clones now exist of once famous cultivars. No selection for continuity of type and superiority of characteristics was made during budwood collection over many generations.

Add degradation through viral infection and you get much of what is offered by mass merchandisers for classic Hybrid Teas.

I would guess there has been enough phenotypic drift in some older roses as to make them appear distinct. DNA testing might finally help to sort out some of these riddles, assuming it ever becomes inexpensive enough to be used for such purposes.
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Reply #3 of 3 posted 15 DEC 08 by Cass
I agree with everything you say about differences in clones, but I don't think the foliage texture and shape changes this much. I will look at the Baronne's offspring.
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