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"Nacogdoches Rose" Reviews & Comments
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I am considering it could be a descendent of 'Buccaneer' but not 'Buccaneer' itself. I wish there were more photos of 'Amarillo' to go through, as they have the same inner petals and roughly the same coloration.
'Amarillo' is a City in Texas. The name made famous by several songs. It wouldn't be a stretch to find random 'Amarillo' roses around Texas due to the namesake, and Grandma's Yellow was found in Texas. That is not proof, but something to consider.
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13 MAR by
 goncmg
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Dang it does look a lot like those 2 pics of Amarillo. What about the 1980 Houston? The dull, narrowish leaf should give us an immediate name but nobody seems certain on this one and that fascinates me.
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It'd be funny if Canary Diamond was just a rename of Houston. Maybe its a sister seedling. Obviously, at least half siblings.
Houston/Canary Diamond have a bit different foliage than G. Yellow and Amarillo.
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I wish there photos of all of the Golden Fantasie descendents.
The thing that strikes me about this rose, is that its not pure yellow in the photos. It has a honey gold tone, and it bleaches in random spots, but not altogether. That's a common trait in some Golden Wave descendents. Many of the seedlings from Selfridges x Freedom that I raised, for example, did this commonly. Especially if immature.
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There are patents for all of them, (except 'Louise Weisse' and 'Summer Melody') for those who would like to search more thoroughly.
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I went through all the black and white images in those patents that I could, and none of them resonated.
It is a strange rose. Seemingly healthy, dark colored, has heterogenous petals. I went through the Boerner yellows too, and one almost matched, but not quite.
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27 AUG 15 by
goncmg
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Might this be Sunbright, released by J&P in 84? The pics look similar with that white-cream edge.
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Sunbright is a possibility I am still considering. There is something that made me hesitate, but I am still comparing.
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Sunbright is thorny, hates cold or wet winters, and is stiffer.
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Yes, it definitely is not Sunblest. I grow most of the yellows in my garden and have compared them in detail. This is a mystery!
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I pencilled in my scribble book to suggest 'Norris Pratt', but that only grows to 18".
And then 'Royal Gold' 1957, but that seems to have a rounder leaf than the foundling.
I hate to say it again (I am always saying it!) more photos of the different features are needed, rather than umpteen in-your-face bloom photos.
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25 APR 18 by
goncmg
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Maybe it was a J&P Test Rose that was never introduced. Maybe it fell upon us all from the heavens above. Maybe we all are trying too much and displacing too much of our "love of roses" idealism on this one. It was found in front of a MOTEL for crying out loud. So it HAD to be pretty much available to consumers who were not shopping esoterics. 'Katy Road Pink' ended up being CAREFREE BEAUTY for crying out loud. And I think the answer with this one is close to that once we all take a breath. To our rabid love of roses credit everyone on this thread, we also know this is NOT a pre 1960 rose and likely, very likely not a pre 1980 rose.
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"shopping esoterics"
You mean plant saviors (hehe).
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It could be an Armstrong or old Weeks roses. Some of them never gained traction, but had commercial distribution for short spans of time. There were a few others like that from the 1960-1980s era that are no longer present.
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Also considering 21st Century, or other CR roses. They're huge in Texas, where this was found.
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I can say that this is not 'Golden State', which leans towards apricot, and has oddly rigid petals and plant.
And not Goldstar, which is quite yellow, but quite wispy and thin-wooded.
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