'Red Robin' rose References
Article (newspaper) (May 2013) Page(s) 2. Includes photo(s).
Patricia Routley: I sought out a rose once, purely because of its name. Gloire des Rosomanes translates to ‘Glory of the Rose Maniacs’ and a couple of decades ago, that was me. Still is really. If it was old and different, I didn’t even need to see the flower to want it in my garden. ‘Gloire des Rosomanes’ had a synonym of ‘Ragged Robin’ and Rob seemed to be run a bit ragged just keeping up with me rattling on about my roses, so it seemed rather appropriate for this garden. George and Jacqui Davies in Guildford posted me down cuttings in 2002 and I planted the resulting rose in what later became a shady spot. I had to rescue it in 2010 and move the bush to more sunny conditions. It is alive and OK, but has not really thriven so I am not writing about a rose I know well, rather writing about its history gleaned from my books. It seems ‘Gloire des Rosomanes’ was bred by Plantier in France in 1825 and put on the market by Vibert in 1836. It was an extremely fertile rose and HelpMeFind.com.roses lists a grand total of 12,182 total descendants. I have two of the earlier generations – ‘Bardou Job’ 1887 and ‘Noella Nabonnand’, 1900. It is also in the pedigree of ‘Crimson Glory’ 1935 and ‘Ena Harkness’ 1946, two of my lovelier red hybrid teas passing on its remontancy and strong colour. It opens to an 8cm bloom of 9-16 petals in perhaps three rows. There are reddish filaments (always beautiful) and glandular pedicels and it flowers in clusters at the end of the canes. Basically the rose has loose blooms in loose clusters on a loose bush of 5 to 6 feet, and sometimes higher. Oh, how we wish…. The colour was described as velvety crimson scarlet and an occasional stripe of white. This flash of white in a bloom is said to be a sign of china in the background of a rose and I can see china in the smoothness of the leaves. There is apparently a connection with some Bourbon rose too and I look suspiciously at its long thorns and think of R. fedtschenkoana. The leaves are the signature of ‘Gloire des Rosomanes’ - the margin is distinctly and deeply serrated. It has dark sea-green foliage, up to seven leaflets, and green canes with large blond new prickles which age to grey. The bud has long sepals and combined with the long and elegant receptacle, I think the whole opening bud would be beautiful pinned with a brooch to a jacket. The flowers later produce orange globular hips. As breeders took this semi-double rose and bred from it, the resulting fuller roses left the old ‘Gloire’ for dead. Eventually someone realised that it was eminently suitable as a vigorous rootstock to graft the newer varieties on to and the new yellow pernetiana roses did particular well on it. Just why it acquired the synonym of ‘Ragged Robin’ I have not been able to find out, but Hillary Merrifield in Perth believes it was due to the deep serrations of the leaf margin. The first reference to this synonym was in 1906.
Article (misc) (2003)
Gloire de Rosomanes: triploid
Book (Aug 2002) Page(s) 44.
Gloire des Rosomanes
Hybrid China 1825
Book (2001) Page(s) 46.
Gloire des Rosomanes Hybrid China, medium red, 1825. Not rated.
Book (2001) Page(s) 312-313.
Gloire des Rosomanes (Plantier/Vibert, 1825)...[Author cites information from various sources]...'Gloire des Rosomanes' was raised at Lyon about fifteen years ago [ca. 1830-1840] by Monsieur Plantier...It appeared in a section of mixed remontant hybrids...Branches long, of notable vigor, climbing, bark smooth, glaucous green; thorns occasional, of a flesh-shaded yellow, very strong, elongate, hooked, very sharp, pretty regularly distributed two-by-two at the base of the leaves...composed of seven large leaflets, rounded, curled...like those of the Elm...blossoms come in clusters at the ends of the canes; they are borne on long stalks of 1-1.5 inches...the flower is "hollow"...double...composed of two rows of petals...Its fragrance is delicious, and its color a sparkling maroon, at the center of which one sees its numerous sulphur-yellow stamens. Examining the separate petals, one notes that they are whitish at the nub, violet-red beneath, and velvety maroon above. They are cordiform and number about five rows...
Book (Dec 2000) Page(s) 417.
Gloire des Rosomanes Bourbon. Plantier [with Vibert] 1825
Book (Sep 1993) Page(s) 196. Includes photo(s).
Gloire des Rosomanes ('Ragged Robin') Bourbon. J.-P. Vibert 1825. Description... one of the earliest Bourbon Roses, and lurks unsuspected in many American gardens, where it has been used as an understock... Rosomane is one of those French words that does not quite translate into English -- it means someone crazy about roses...
Book (Apr 1993) Page(s) 210.
China (OGR), medium red, 1825, ('Ragged Robin'; 'Red Robin'); Vibert. Flowers glowing crimson, semi-double, very large blooms in large clusters; fragrant; vigorous growth; repeat bloom. Used under the name 'Ragged Robin' as an understock on which to bud roses.
Book (Feb 1993) Page(s) 92. Includes photo(s).
Book (1993) Page(s) 105. Includes photo(s).
('Gloire des Rosomanes', 'Ragged Robin', 'Red Robin') A China. Vibert (France) 1825. Much used as an understock in California.