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"Minette - in commerce as" rose References
Book  (2020)  Page(s) 145.  
 
.... It is possible that 'Schöne von Angeln', as also 'Minette' could be a cross with Rosa blanda. 
Website/Catalog  (20 Feb 2017)  Includes photo(s).
 
Minette. This rose is considered Alba - first of all: I have no idea how one arrives at that conclusion. If everyone is indeed talking about the same rose ...
I received 4 different roses: a "Dornenlose Kreiselrose", an Alba suinoum, a Minette and an unknown found rose. All of these 4 roses turned out to be identical!
I have now decided for myself to call this rose "Minette", but not as Alba. But maybe genetic tests will teach me better ...
Now, what do the proponents of the "turbinata theory" say? Well, of course the calyxes of this rose are almost exactly in the form in which we know today's or maybe yesterday's and the day before yesterday's humming tops. At the time of naming a particular type of rose class or variety as a "Kreiselrose", these tops looked different, however, because they had a constriction and taper conically for being driven with a "whip". Now that the so-called Gallica x francofurtana had this constriction, these forms of the Gallica roses were so named. But Minette is not a gallica rose either, although she likes to produce suckers. It also does have a lot of prickles. This classification is also quite incomprehensible to me!
Alba suionum and Minette are usually already synonymous in Scandinavia with a rose that is usually described as "our" Minette here. But I still hope to find another rose that looks more like Alba under the name suionum, maybe one day ... What or who is this Minette here? So, I don't know! I only know that I recognize it immediately when I see it, because it has foliage that is so well rounded or even fully round, with the end leaflet usually covered by the first two leaflets on the side.
Article (magazine)  (Dec 2015)  Page(s) 16.  Includes photo(s).
 
’Minette’, F: mustialanruusu Vibert, France 1819. Commonly found in old gardens in Southern and Central Finland, and in Sweden as well. ’Minette’ is rare in Central Europe. The Finns have considered this rose as Finnish, the Swedes as theirs as suggested by the Swedish appellations R. x suionum and svearnas ros. In Finland it is generally called “mustialanruusu”, i.e., ”the Mustiala rose”, as this rose was sold and distributed by Mustiala Nursery during the early 20th century. Only during the mideighties did Swedish rosarians recognise this plant bearing the name ’Minette’ in the collections at Sangerhausen. Vibert, who raised it, assigned his rose to the centifolias, but in Finland it is nowadays considered to be an alba. ’Minette’ forms a rounded bush to a meter, which suckers freely. The foliage is light green, slightly glossy with leaflets rounded towards the tips. It flowers through most of July. The beautifully scrolled flowers are medium in size, double, a warm blush pink, well scented. The buds tend to ball up in wet weather. A few large orange-tinted hips may set in warm seasons.
Website/Catalog  (2015)  Includes photo(s).
 
Translation:
"Dornenlose Kreiselrose", Rosa x suionum, Minette.
Hybrid Francofurtana, Turbinata, before 1820, 120 cm and more, good fragrance.
Summer-blooming.
The origin of this rose is unclear. Likewise its classification. Sometimes it is stated »before 1815«. The oldest source I know is 1819.
The valid name should actually be ‘Minette’, at least this appears almost continuously in the sources. The German name is popular - at least in the German-speaking countries.
The rose is without thorns, is clear, but it has pointed, grayish prickles ... In our latitudes always hardy, blooms in summer, doesn't like rain, the blooms then ball badly. But tolerates semi-shade well.
Is called Alba, even Centifolia. Do not see on the rose where these assignments come from. For me, simply a wild rose hybrid (unknown parents and origin).
‘Francofurtana’ itself is also a wild rose hybrid with more than a dozen synonyms (“Tapetenrose”, Rosa inermis (turbinata), Rosa x francofurtana ‘Kreiselrose’, Rose without prickles); Rosa x francofurtana is probably a cross between Rosa majalis and Rosa gallica.
‘Kreiselrose’ refers to the peculiar goblet shape, rounded, top-shaped and with delicate bristles or hairs; in Rosa x francofurtana the upper area is smooth and more clearly offset than can be seen here with this variety. The whole calyx seems to me more like a "drinking cup" than a spinning top. However, seen as a whole with the closed bud showing no color, the link to this toy may be closer. Because then everything in the crown petals comes together nicely - and it may turn around mentally ...
Photo /. shows well the peculiar overlapping of the leaflets of this rose, continuously at the tip actually with all leaves.
 
Book  (2011)  Page(s) 64-65.  Includes photo(s).
 
[From "Sweden's National Inventory Uncovers Mystery Roses" by Lars-Åke Gustavsson, pp. 51-67]

One really true mystery rose is the second most common in Sweden, a cultivar with pink flowers that is regarded a a very old rose of Swedish or Nordic origin. Its origin and classification have been intensively discussed for many decades, both in Sweden and abroad. In Sweden since the 1980s it has probably been wrongly named 'Minette'. Until its origin, name and parentage are clarified, I prefer to use its earlier name, Rosa x suionum. It is most probably identical with "Banshee", a rose cultivated in North America since the 1770s. On morphological characteristics, Rosa x suionum is difficult to classify. Often classified as an Alba and sometimes as a Damask rose, it differs significantly from these two Groups. Preliminary data from our DNA studies indicate a relationship with the Damasks,
Article (magazine)  (2010)  Page(s) 29-32.  Includes photo(s).
 
[Rough translation from the original text in Norwegian]

'Nordens Rose' [Rose of the North] (Rosa x suionum Almq., "Svernas Ros", syn.: Rosa campanulata Borkh., non 'Minette' Vibert 1819?)
Oncde one gets to know it, it is easy to decide. It forms a lax, 1.5 m tall shrub with glossy grass-green foliage and branches. Few, but sharp prickles often sit in pairs at each joint. The petals are thin and smooth with pointed teeth forthest out, but not along the wedge-shaped opposite end, which is attached to the center of the blade with a short and thin stalk, giving it all a form which is easy to recognize, ven in old herbaria specimens.
Occasionally, an extra leaf flap may lurk between the small leaflets at the end blade. However, the most prominent feature of the rose is an extremely wide bud similar to that of 'Agatha' with a distinct "double chin". Glanded bristles are less stiff with 'Nordens Rose' and more evenly spread over sepals, bud and stalk than with 'Agatha'. The flower is filled with thin and broad petals that easily adhere together, making it difficult for the flower to expand in humid weather. When expanded, it is similar in colour as well as in fragrance to the damask rose Rosa x damascena 'Kazanlik'.
'Nordens Rose' is one of the most common roses to find remaining in abandoned gardens in the inner regions of eastern Norway, Telemark and Agder.The occurences here obviously hang together with the widespread distribution on the Swedish side of the border, where it is common to encounter it in old towns (Hylander & Nannfeldt 1945; Malmgren 1986; Gustavsson 2008), and through Finland and Estonia (Hämet-Ahti et al. 1992; Joy 2006)). In Østfold information was recorded on families of mariners which brought it with them (Ola Larsen, Østfold rose association, personal communication). While it is common in southeast Norwayall the way along the coast, it is absent from Lindesnes to Molde. The few findings we have are said according to our informants to be introductions from the east, with one exception: A nursery in Os near Bergen has had it on sale as "Besto" with material from Engjavik in Fusa. This might have come there with the Meidell family with ancestors in Estonia, who had traded there from the 1820s (Brekke 1993). In the north we have found it in the inner fjords of Fauske,  and Arne Lundstad in 1952 at the church cemetery in Rognan (Saltdal, belegg [?], NLH).
'Nordens Rose' seems little variabel in Norwegian material. However, the naming has been debated and been the subject of contention. The same rose occurs under different names in different parts of the world. The one in Finland called "Mustilanruusu" [Mustailanruusu] (Hämet-Ahti et al. 1992) and in Germany it is known as "Dornlöse Kreiselrose" [Dornenlose Kreiselrose] (Nissen 2005; Arnold & Arnold 2007) are probably the same rose that is sold as 'Minette' in the Nordic countries and referred to as Rosa x suionum by botanists, according to Hylander & Nannfeldt (1945). We are pretty convinced that the one trading as "Banshee" in North America must also be the same (Bell 1977; Joy 2006; Lura 2008). It has been suggested that 'Nordens Rose' arose from a cross of a damask rose from Europe with the Virgina rose (Rosa virginiana) from North America (Bell 1977; Nilsson 1981; Nannfeldt 1985). Such a meeting could have happened in many collections where roses from the New World were included from the 18th century onwards.
It has also been questioned whether this is really the rose which Vibert commercialized in 1819 (see Merker 1985a, b; Nannfeldt 1985). He listed 'Minette' under hybrids of his "26th Class, Cent feuilles" with the year 1819 set for the first flowering (Vibert 1820). The synonymy with Rosa x suionum is apparently based on a plant that was labeled 'Minette' in the Sangerhausen rosary (Merker 1985a, b). It is not known where this example came from and it has been more than once suggested that the labels in the collection may have been misplaced (Nannfeldt 1985; Lars-Åke Gustavsson, personal communication). Bell (1977) suggests that 'Banshee' fits with the description of 'Baron Louis' as given by Gore (1838), a rose listed under "Turnep Rose" originating in North America. The same is described in greater detail also by Desportes (1828), Boitard (1836) and Biedenfeld (1840) under roses originating in North America. They also describe 'Minette', but then under roses from Europe. Comparison of the descriptions in these early sources is difficult, since authentic material of the old varieties is missing , but if one should choose a place to look, 'Rose Courtenay' (syn.: 'Rosa Anglaise', Rosa campanulata Desp. non Ehrhart 1791) should be examined further. It is very similar to the description of 'Baron Louis', but clearly matches our rose better than the contemporary descriptions of 'Minette' (see especially Boitard 1836). The British-American context is particularly interesting, since it has been suggested that 'Banshee' originally came to North America from Scotlandas early as 1773 (Bell 1977). Such a journey can of course have happened more than once. For example, there is early information about a rose from Washington documented in the Uppsala Herbarium (UPS, see Nilsson 1981), and there exist reports that it has been taken to the United States as root cuttings by Swedish immigarnts from the Stockholm area (Lars-Åke Gustavsson, personal communication).
Article (magazine)  (2010)  Page(s) 85-89.  
 
[Bibliography mentioned for 'Nordens Rose':]
Arnold, H. & Arnold, V. 2007.- Alte Rosen in Meldorf.- Schleswig-Holsteinischen Landwirtschaftsmuseum, Meldorf - (www.museum-albersdorf.de/rosen)
Bell, L. 1977.- Banshee: The great impersonator - American Rose Annual, cited from Parden, P. 2007.- Old garden roses and beyond - December 2007 (url.: www.rdrop.com/~paul/main_dec.html).
Biedenfeld, F.F. von, 1847.- Das Buch der Rosen - 2. ed., Weimar 1847
Boitard, M. 1836.- Manuel complet de l'amateur de roses.- Paris 1836
Brekke, N.G. (red.) 1993.- Kulturhistorisk vegbok Hordaland - Hordaland fylkeskommune og Norf 4, Bergen 480 p.
Desportes, N. 1828.- Rosetum gallicum ou énumération méthodique des espèces et variétés du genre rosier indigènesen France ou cultivée dans les jardins,...  - Le Mans et Paris, 1828, 124 p.
Gore, M. 1838.- The rose Fancier's Manual.- Henry Colburn, London
Gustavsson, L.-Å. 2008.- Rosor för nordiska trädgårdar. - Vol. 1-3, Natur och Kultur, Stockholm.
Hämet-Ahti, L., Palmen, A., Alanko, P. & Tigerstedt, P.M.A. 1992.- Suomen puu- ja pensaskasvio - Dendrologian Seura - Dendroloska Sällskapet r.y., Helsinki, 373 p.
Hylander, N. & Nannfeldt, J. A. 1945 .- Rosa siuonum - Lustgården, Årsskrift för Föreningen för dendrology och parkvård (1944/1945):45-56, Stockholm.
Joy, p. 2006.- Finlands rosetradisjon.- Rosebladet 24 (2/2006): 3-8. (English version: Of Rose traditions and traditional roses in Finland). - The Finnish Rose Society (http://puutarha.net/ruususeura/c-englanti/Articles/Joy/rose-traditions-3.html).
Lura, S. 2008.- "Pickering now lists Minette as Banshee".- Heritage Rose Foundation, General Discussion & Message posting website (last update March 06, 2008).
Malmgren, U. 1986.-Släkter Rosa i Sverige - Svensk Bot. Tidskr. 80: 209-227.
Merker, H. 1985a.- Nordiska rosen (Rosa suionum) demaskerad. - Svensk Bot. Tidskr. 78(1984): 309-312.
Merker H. 1985b.- Genmäle om Rosa suionum.- Svensk Bot. Tidskr. 78[79]:237-239.
Nilsson, E. 1981.- Svearnas Ros - Svensk Bot. Tidskr. 75(1975): 225-230.
Nissen, G. 2005.- Alte Rosen - 11. ed. 2005, Verlag Boyens, Heide, 124 p.
Vibert, J.-P. 1820.- Observations sur la nomenclature et le classement des roses: suivis du catalogue de celles cultivées. - Huzard, Paris, 1820, 48 p. 
Book  (2009)  Page(s) 128-129.  Includes photo(s).
 
Translation from Finnish:
'Minette', mustialanruusu
Vibert, France 1819
'Minette' is different than other Alba-Roses. Many experts do not consider it an Alba at all. Some nurseries list it as a Rosa francofurtana. The breeder himself classed it among Centifolias!.
The rose got its Finnish name from the Mustiala Agricultural School in Tammela, where at the turn of the 20th century a rose named Rosa hybrida amoena was added to its nursery. Later Mustianruusu has been transgerred as suckers from old gardens. 'Minette' is rare in Central Europe. In Finland, own root seedlings are fortunately available today.
The Finnish Rose Society chose Mustialanruusu as the rose of the year for 2005.
'Minette' was one of the three roses preserved in the overgrown garden of Simola [garden and nursery of the late author]. I was a little amazed about the rose taste of the previous owner ladies, as delicate pink flowered roses were growing in every corner. Even the birs built their nests in the rose bushes. Only later did I find out how precies the old rose in question was.
Support frames for Clematis were attached to the west wall of the house. After the death of the Clematis, Mustialanruusu that was next to the frame started to grow in the frame. To my surprise, my new climbing rose grew to decorate almost three meters. Its crowns did not freeze due to the warmth of the wall. In fact I would not have thought of moving Minette to the wall.
Normally Mustialanruusu is s 100-150 cm tall shrub with few prickles, whose top parts might freeze in winter. In order to increase flowering it is worth pruning a little in spring. Foliage is light green, large and rounded. In dry summers, long-lasting bloom is at its best in July, but in rainy weather the buds may rot. The blooms are medium-sized, once-blooming, pink, passing to white, and pleasantly fragrant. Following warm summers, it forms large, round, orange-coloured hips. Seeds have not germinated.
Article (website)  (2007)  
 
”Kreiselrose”
Class: Francofurtana.
Growth: short.
Foliage: 7-9 leaflets, light green, roundish with blunt tip, smooth, thin, finely serrated, central axis hooked.
Stipule: center lightly reddish, tips sometimes screwdriver-like.
Calyx: very thick cup, sometimes with a bulgy thickening at the upper rim, which is sparsely glandular, while the lower part is full with red glands.
Sepal: very extended, 2 cm longer than the bud, red glands, isolated wings.
Bud: large, elegantly pointed, tender lilac-pink.
Bloom: medium, loosely double, centre lilac-pink, outwards tender pink-white, petals very thin.
Prickles: fully without prickles on old wood, thin pointed ones on young.
Fragrance: Pleasant, moderate to strong.
Comment: Also known as ‘Minette’ and in Scandinavia as Rosa suionum. Missing in rosaries (except Hälsingborg). This rose definitely needs an airy location to be able to present her beautiful blooms. The buds do not expand in a fully rainy June and the outer petals become brown.
Article (website)  (2006)  Page(s) 4.  Includes photo(s).
 

Widespread in Finland, Sweden and, apparently, Estonia but virtually unknown elsewhere is a beautiful, hardy rose with alba affinities. In Sweden it was long named R. x suionum or svearnas ros, implying a Swedish origin, while in Finland it was termed the Mustiala rose since, during the early part of the twentieth century, it was widely distributed by Mustiala Agricultural College near Turku. The question of its origin was not resolved until the 1980's, when it was observed that the Mustiala rose was identical to 'Minette' (J.P. Vibert, France, 1819) growing in the collections at Sangerhausen.
'Minette' forms a well-branched, green-stemmed shrub to about 1.5m (5ft) with singly borne, pale shell-pink, large, fragrant and beautifully formed flowers throughout July and often into early August. Its only real fault is the susceptibility of its soft-textured and very double flowers to balling in wet weather; given a hot, dry summer this is a perfect rose. Its hardiness and suckering ability account for its popularity in the Nordic countries. The pale green, slight glossy rounded leaflets suggest that R. carolina may be involved in its pedigree, which would also account for its relatively good winter-hardiness; the stems show some dieback after hard winters, but as a rule this does not prevent 'Minette' from flowering well.

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