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'Piñata' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 118-152
most recent 27 AUG 19 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 26 AUG 19 by Planetrj (zone 11b/H2 pH 5.8)
Finally, after having bad luck with Piñata the first time around, I decided to grow it Own-Root. I found the ticket. This one is a completely different plant than the sickly Bud Graft plant I got 9 years ago. As far as I can tell, this one should Not be grown on rootstock. This is worthy of many accolades, as long as it's growing on it's own roots! (View my uploaded photos).

It's been a cluster of ever-changing flowers all spring and summer this year after allowing it to build a nice root ball, and dead-heading all buds the first two years. Now, this year, it sits up on a hillside, and throws large flushes in clusters of 8-12 flowers that range from 3 to 4 1/2 inches in diameter. The show of yellow buds through to the fire engine red/verging on scarlet fully open bloom is striking even from 200 feet away! This is a crowd pleaser. One of the best parts is the sweet fruity and spicy fragrance it has. Somewhat similar fragrance to Westerland.
On it's own roots, it also gets very little BS and holds it's foliage much longer than when it's sickly counterpart Bud Graft version was struggling to keep 6 or 8 leaves. It also tolerates hot sun and dry periods exceptionally well, but noticeably blooms better when given more water. Makes striking cut flowers and lasts up to 4 days in a bud vase. I do not spray ANY of my roses, and this one is definitely a No-Spray success story.
If you liked this one but didn't like it's sickly appearance, maybe it's time to try it again grown on it's own roots.

UPDATE: (March 26, 2020) Piñata has been a trouper through the last year here. It's not had a month where it's been without flowers. With it's versatility of being a gradient colorwheel and ever-changing kaleidoscope, coupled with the ability for it to be a nicely climbing broad shrub, it's defnitely winning my heart.

I'd have to say this is the rose I would recommend for someone who is just starting out, someone who is very indecisive for color range or growth habits, or even someone who only has space for one. This covers all of the bases. The fragrance definitely seems to get stronger as the rootball gets more massive. It definitely has a substantially large rootball for being own root. Perhaps this one doesn't need rootstock? With my soil conditions being acid, and on the wet side, it does extremely well. I've noticed the flowers are increasing in cluster size as well as ever-so slightly larger petals than last year.

I accidentally left a cluster of hips on, and it didn't seem to care. It made another new cane with a cluster of 8 buds. It's rock solid! The fragrance is much like Westerland, for anyone who's sniffed it. There's also an added slight licorice scent in there behind the apricot and raspberry fragrance notes. Sometimes Westerland has a little 'herbal' fragrance that Piñata doesn't which makes this one much cleaner and "edible" smelling. You just want to eat the flowers. In contrast, on rootstock the fragrance was very slight and only the first day. One of the most rugged and everblooming in heat and cool weather, undaunted by rain, bushy and relatively untouched by BS, even without EVER spraying Ever! This one is tops!
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 27 AUG 19 by Nastarana
It comes from Japan, would you know what part of Japan?

I imagine it likes volcanic soil. Grafting might be needed for heavy soils. I doubt I could think of it, but the pix are gorgeous.
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Discussion id : 71-673
most recent 2 FEB 15 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 16 MAY 13 by goncmg
Suddenly this is one, like Perfume Delight, Bewitched and Love, that just seems to now be everywhere. And it is catchy! These "color change" bicolors always are! But what everyone who is finding this now at their garden store, or Wal-Mart, or the Arby's drive-thru needs to know is that this is NOT a very healthy rose. Red/yellow bicolor in general and color change in general tends to lean blackspot prone and weak. Additionally, Pinata is not a reliable climber and being weaker and rather temperature tender, it may not survive a winter beyond zone 7 let alone CLIMB. It is more, class wise, in the midwest (with protection!) a pillar at best or "big messy" floribunda more realistically...........it never caught on in the 70's when it was released through Jackson and Perkins and how this one is being "blasted" commercially now escapes me. If you find it and want it or bought it, I would recommend you lose the term "climber" in your mental construct and think more "floribunda" and if you live east of the Mississippi where it is hot and damp all summer I would suggest you re-think your practices if you are PRO-Pinata yet ANTI-chemical disease spray.........
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Reply #1 of 5 posted 16 MAY 13 by Nastarana
I have two roses from Suzuki, Shin Setsu and Shi-Un. both have been excellent growers in my garden so far. I am surprized to learn that Suzuki released a disease prone one, but maybe it does better in Japan.
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Reply #2 of 5 posted 16 MAY 13 by goncmg
I am going to have to find room for Shi-Un. Everyone I talk to is in love with it! :-)
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Reply #3 of 5 posted 2 FEB 15 by Michael Garhart
It really is not that great. Joseph's Coat is better, and its not a strong climber whatsoever.

Bicolors and blends are far healthier nowadays. We are getting beyond Pernet types' drawbacks, thankfully.
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Reply #4 of 5 posted 2 FEB 15 by goncmg
I ditched Pinata after 2 times in 2 summers. It is NOT a climber for us in the Great Lakes/Buckeye/Upper Midwest and the first plant I had was super strong in the yard, then was one of the 7 or 9 that died OUT OF 120 that over wintered in my blessedly insulated garage. Next attempt? Nothing but mildew and blackspot. Tossed. I did get some very lovely blooms a few times on both attempts. But the effort isn't worth the effort.
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Reply #5 of 5 posted 2 FEB 15 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
I agree, The only reason I still have it here is that it survives after twenty years in a shaded spot where other roses don't prosper and it isn't convenient to get back in there to dig it out.

It mildews and on the odd occasion produces some very eye catching blossoms.
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Discussion id : 41-558
most recent 5 MAR 10 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 4 JAN 10 by maele
Originally I was going to get rid of Piñata because I don't like the way the blooms bleach and fade in the hot sun, HOWEVER I have been won over by the way this rose just never stops blooming in big sprays all year and has a lot even now that all the other roses (except Pat Austin) finally quit. Winter temps in my area rarely dip below 40, we had some 20something nights in december, so that just shows you that this rose will bloom no matter what. As for the blackspot others are reporting, I live in a dry area so have no experience with that, but I have had no other problems.
To avoid the bleaching of the blooms, I have decided that Piñata has earned a prime spot that gets afternoon shade and will be moved from its pot to a permanent home this spring.
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 5 MAR 10 by k~T~h o'Silicon Valley
Try moving < PINATA > to an area with more shade; on the Calif. Coast this climber is great because it tolerates the Fog/shade quite well, and blooms into 1st week of December!
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Discussion id : 40-650
most recent 20 NOV 09 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 20 NOV 09 by Anne M
Northwestern Ontario, Canada, USDA Zone 2
Purchased at Walmart - once this little (still new & was struggling for the 1st six weeks) rose started to bloom it never quit. Absolutely love how there are blossoms in all different stages at one time and how each of them is colored differently depending on what stage they're at. I was glad to read the "water hog" comment - when I started really putting the water to it, Pinata grew and didn't have any health problems. If she over winters, I'll know to water her lots.
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