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'Princesse de Sagan' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 117-073
most recent 8 JUN 19 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 7 JUN 19 by HubertG
The author of the 1887 article in Journal des Roses states clearly that 'Princesse de Sagan' was a seedling of 'David d'Angers':
" La rose thé Princesse de Sagan a été obtenue en 1883, d'un semis du thé David d'Angers, par M. F.Dubreuil".
I assume what they call "David d'Angers" must be the 1856 Robert tea rose 'Souvenir de David d'Angers'. At least I can't find any original references to a "David d'Angers" rose.
I thought it might be worthwhile adding this more specific parentage to the description page.
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 8 JUN 19 by Patricia Routley
I have added that parentage, but I do have a little concern over why Brent Dickerson, who also quoted that reference, said in the Advisor “affiliated with” .....‘Souvenir de David d’Angers’.

Then that reference mentions the breeder M. Dubreuil.
Souvenir de David d'Angers' was bred by Robert in 1856
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Discussion id : 113-403
most recent 6 OCT 18 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 5 OCT 18 by Patricia Routley
HubertG, you have uploaded a reference from the ‘Leader’. Where and what was this publication please. I imagine that it might be a newspaper, but there must be hundreds of ‘Leaders’ around the world. The author is always of great interest too.
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 6 OCT 18 by HubertG
Sorry, I've added an annotation to say that it was a Melbourne (Australian) newspaper. There wasn't a specific author's name that I could find.
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 6 OCT 18 by Patricia Routley
Thanks.
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Discussion id : 111-139
most recent 1 SEP 18 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 31 MAY 18 by Aussie rose lover
Princess de Sagan is a blacked rose than FRANCIS Dubrueil.Its perfume rates as less 6/10. ITS IS LIKE black flat velvet with it absorbing the the light marking it darker. IT IS a tall very erect grower and is quite vigorous. IT IS very thorny and sets some seed so appears to be diploid.
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Reply #1 of 4 posted 31 MAY 18 by Margaret Furness
If you have access to an original Princesse de Sagan, rather than the Prof Ganiviat which is sold under that name in Australia, it would be important to make budwood (in early December) or cuttings available to be shared around, please, for study and to prevent its being lost again.
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Reply #2 of 4 posted 31 MAY 18 by HubertG
Aussie rose lover, If you could possibly upload a photograph that would be great too!
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Reply #4 of 4 posted 31 AUG 18 by Margaret Furness
That would be wonderful; it sounds like you have a very significant collection. Given the fragility of heritage roses in Australia - Mistydowns, Melville's and other nurseries cutting back, Thomas for Roses likely to close, the extreme uncertainty of the future of the HRIAI collection at Renmark - it's crucial that there be backup for the rarities across at least two states, and preferably further. I leave research to those with more expertise than mine; my role has been propagating for the Renmark collection, spreading the roses around, and photographing. Distributing the rarities has become more difficult, with inter-state quarantine tightening.
Pat (ozoldroser) lives in the Barossa - would you be willing to send her a private message re checking out the garden you used to weed (she would obtain permission from the current owners). I'm in the Hills, if the garden wasn't in the Barossa.
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Reply #5 of 4 posted 1 SEP 18 by HubertG
That's exciting that this rose could become commercially available.
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Discussion id : 111-140
most recent 31 MAY 18 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 31 MAY 18 by Aussie rose lover
The rose depicted here IS not princesses de sagan.I give my reasons in my previous posting
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