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'Bardou Job' rose Reviews & Comments
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1 JAN 20 by
 sam w
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Someone voted that its bloom frequency was excellent and if it were identical to Black Boy one would expect as much. However in the 20+ years I've grown this rose (Vintage Gardens) it has had only one flush of bloom in the Spring, usually near the start of the rose season.
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#1 of 1 posted
15 APR 22 by
Plazbo
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I would agree(ish). There may be a minor flush in a long season climate, I'm getting a small flush now autumn in Australia (10 month growing season) but I tend to get that kind of behaviour with a lot of once bloomers (eg r. glauca, r. spinosissima, r. hugonis, sweet briar hybrids, etc) but it's nothing impressive (ie excellent worthy)
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The Aussi clone seems quite different to the European and US forms
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Yes. I've heard that the (or an ) US one was collected from an unlabelled plant at Alcatraz (Patricia may wish to comment). The Australian clone came from a named plant in an elderly lady's garden, and we feel it matches the early illustrations.
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Thank you Margaret. I certainly recall seeing the 'Bardou Job' found at Alcatraz in a pot in the courtyard at El Cerrito on May 12, 2005. Apparently this was identified by the two 'Bardou Job's found at Jardin de Plant (spelling?) and at Bagatelle. However the plant I saw seemed to be exactly the same rose as I grow in Australia as 'Black Boy'. Two other Australians on that day agreed that it seemed to be the same as our 'Black Boy'. I have just downloaded a photo of the Australian ‘Black Boy’ on the cover of the Heritage Roses in Australia journal which most typifies this rose and seems to be the same rose as I saw in El Cerrito.
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#3 of 10 posted
22 MAR 13 by
Tessie
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Can those of you in Australia who have seen the Aussie clone in person comment on its scent? Since it is described in one of the references here at HMF as "peculiar", I'm wondering what that fragrance might be. And Patricia, the one you saw at El Cerrito in 2005, was it blooming so you could check for the odd scent?
John, have you had the opportunity to smell the flowers of this rose as grown in Europe?
Melissa
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Tessie. The rose I saw at El Cerrito in 2005 seemed to be the rose that Australians grow as 'Black Boy'. The text accompanying the 'Black Boy' photo from the Heritage Roses in Australia journal (see Black Boy' photos) says that rose is "richly fragrant". The pot of the rose at El Cerrito did have just one bloom, but sorry, I didn't smell this particular rose then. I am afraid I wouldn't trust my nose with any rose at all, (although I am pretty good with 'Frau Karl Druschki').
I do see the 'Bardou Job' 1926 reference to "peculiar perfume". However in 1887 it was described as "very fragrant" and in 1929 as "sweet". When you think that 'Bardou Job' was the pollen parent of 'Black Boy', it might be easier if you look for a more visible characteristic of 'Bardou Job'. It seems to have much more of a white eye than 'Black Boy' does.
Patricia
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Sorry Melissa, I havn't got the European form only the Australian (which we also sell) as this is the one I believe is correct. The European form really doesn't match early descripions or lithos
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Today the fragrance of 'Bardou Job' (the rose we grow in Australia under that name which came from an old named plant) was quite strong and the closest I can get to a description is that it is like the warm, fecund and slightly sweet scent of Gloire des Rosomanes overlain with something faintly suggestive of apricot jam - the fruit itself and the jammy sweetness. I'll keep sniffing while it keeps blooming to see whether the fragrance is stable or variable.
Gloire des Rosomanes has a fragrance that I find very difficult to describe - it is frustrating. Words like 'fecund' and 'warm' are not much help are they? But it has me beat - I can't name any of the notes or think of any associations to pin it to.
Anyone out there who can describe the fragrance of Gloire des Rosomanes?
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#7 of 10 posted
2 JUL 16 by
Jay-Jay
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My (supposed to be and bought as) Bardou Job doesn't have a scent at all!
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The Aussi clone is fragrant (as opposed to the European form), to me similar to 'Gloire des Rosomanes' and 'Noella Nabonnand', a sort of greengage scent but my nose has probably been affected by years of sawdust. All of these 3 roses are prone to disease in our climate unless grown under cover during the winter.
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#9 of 10 posted
3 JUL 16 by
Jay-Jay
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Do You own/grow/propagate/sell the Aussi clone? And if so, I would like to order one or two from Your nursery next fall.
I think Reine Claude Verte doesn't have that much scent for itself... It tastes/smells mainly sweet. But I think You mean the scent, that is assumed to be greengage in syrups and so. Just like pistachio-ice-cream is green like as pistachios are (a different) green, but the taste/smell is in no way similar.
And as for sawdust... that can have a really nice scent, or may even stink/irritate, depending on which wood You are sawing:
Softwood versus Elm-wood,
Rosewood or even Snake-wood versus Iroko
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#10 of 10 posted
3 JUL 16 by
Jay-Jay
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Ooooops: I found my journal for this rose from a year ago... please read: http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.525&tab=42
I do not understand, where the scent went!
Still the plants, as for growth-habit and foliage look very different. And the way it flowers too!
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When showing nursurys that supply a distinct rose, it would be nice for the owner to edit the entry ie particular clone, or several clones of this name etc
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8 MAR 10 by
Don H
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Bardou JOB is named after the company founded by Joseph Bardou in Perpignan, France in 1839. The "JOB" in the name is really Bardou's initials separated by a diamond, which became the trademark (and watermark) of the rice paper that the company still produces for rolling cigarettes.
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Thanks Don - I've often wondered about the story behind that name.
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