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'Rosa pomifera Herrm. synonym' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 135-131
most recent 18 NOV 22 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 17 NOV 22 by KarelBvn
Rosa villosa doesn't have an apple fragrance like R. rubiginosa. Its leaves do have a specific scent, but not an airborne apple scent. More of an inscense/turpentine/resin smell that rubs off. We've some of these in our region. I'm very sure of this.
I've also a source to confirm this in the description of Rosa tomentosa and Rosa sherardii wich are considered the new names of varieties of Rosa villosa:

"Zwaenepoel, A (2019). Wilde rozen in het Zwin en de kustduinen"
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De kliertjes ruiken ook niet naar appeltjes zoals bij de egelantier. De geur is veel minder opvallend; vaak worden de termen harsachtig of terpentijngeur gebruikt om deze te omschrijven.
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Eerder zelden wordt nog de overkoepelende benaming Rosa villosa gebruikt, waarbij dan sherardii als ondersoort of microspecies van deze wordt beschouwd.
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De Berijpte Viltroos heeft de meeste kenmerken van de Gewone Viltroos gemeen, wat betreft beharing (viltig), bekliering (harsgeur) en stekels (zwak gebogen tot recht).

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The glands also do not smell like apples as with the Sweet Briar. The scent is much less distinctive; often the terms resinous or turpentine scent are used to describe it.
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Rather rarely, the umbrella term Rosa villosa is still used, with sherardii then considered a subspecies or microspecies of this one.
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The "Frosted Feltrose" (R. sherardii) shares most of the characteristics of the "Common Feltrose" (R. tomentosa/villosa), in terms of hairiness (felty), glands (resinous scent) and spines (weakly curved to straight).
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 18 NOV 22 by jedmar
Agree, other sources in German confirm the resinuous fragrance of the foliage. The local "Apple-Rose" name is due to the hips which look like mini apples, not the fragrance. Fragrance listing corrected, thank you!
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Discussion id : 91-326
most recent 6 MAR 16 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 6 MAR 16 by true-blue
R. villosa, a dwarf species, 0.3-1.5 m high, with pink and sometimes white flowers, solitary or in corymbs; habitat: localities in Azerbaijan, Hamadān, and Baḵtiāri (Ḵātamsāz, p. 56). It is not recorded by Zieliński.

http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/gol
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Discussion id : 74-519
most recent 13 OCT 13 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 13 OCT 13 by Unregistered Guest
Available from - High Country Roses
http://www.highcountryroses.com/ Listed as _Rosa Pomifera_
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Discussion id : 19-740
most recent 20 APR 11 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 19 JUN 07 by Cavallo
One of the photos from Gifu, Japan shows a nameplate, presumably from some public garden somewhere, which claims that R. pomifera is a hybrid of R. glauca and R. rugosa. Someone in Japan seems quite convinced, but I can't seem to find any other mention of this. How likely is it? Shouldn't such a cross be sterile?
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Reply #1 of 4 posted 7 JUN 10 by Michael Garhart
There are already glauca/rugosa hybrids. See 'Carmenetta'. It is definitely not sterile. I doubt that R. pomifera is a hybrid of these two species.
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Reply #2 of 4 posted 7 JUN 10 by Cavallo
Yeah - my ideas about sterility have changed since 2007. :)
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Reply #3 of 4 posted 20 APR 11 by Hardy
Since r. pomifera/villosa is shown on HMF using European illustrations from the 1500s and 1600s, I'd be interested to know how an east Asian rugosa (first introduced in Europe in the 1790s,) managed to cross with (European) rosa glauca, when their native ranges are separated by thousands of miles. Crossing would presumably have had to occur when the roses had overlapping ranges, but I know of no reason to think that they ever overlapped. Absent compelling DNA evidence, I'm very skeptical.
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Reply #4 of 4 posted 20 APR 11 by Cavallo
Excellent point. I should have thought of that.
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