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"Thomasville Old Gold" rose Reviews & Comments
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I grew "Thomasville Old Gold' in the desert climate of Palm Springs, California for 8 years, after having grown it in Las Vegas, Nevada, for 5 years. The plant does prefer a dry climate as it is susceptible to mildew in cooler, more humid climates. It grew very well for me in a shady spot protected from wind, with only about two hours of sun in the morning (In Palm Springs).
I live in Idaho now and I still grow this rose in a pot. I spray water on the leaves in the morning often, to wash dust off the leaves; also, I make sure to never let the soil dry out completely, for that invites mildew. (I grow all my roses organically). This rose has a wonderful fragrance and color. The texture if the petals is similar to the finest Chinese silk. I wonder what its true name might be? It does bear a resemblance to several historic paintings.
It is a tender rose as far as cold and it hates cloudy, gloomy weather, yet thrives in shade in the dry air of the desert, where it is very healthy.
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I happened upon another found Tea via the facebook page for "Roses Anciennes -- Vintage Roses", which seems to bear some resemblance to this rose. Please compare to "Plaisance Pink". Thoughts?
http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.68909&tab=1
:-)
~Christopher
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Sorry, I have both growing and Plaisance pink is an extremely vigorous and healthy tea, When I first found this rose it was growing 10 metres into a tree. Thomasville Old gold is weak growing with the same disease problems (dirty habits) as Perle des Jardins
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#2 of 2 posted
26 OCT 15 by
 AquaEyes
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Thanks for answering! Your information is more than what was available here for "Plaisance Pink" other than two bloom pics, so it's good to know more about the plant habit.
:-)
~Christopher
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perhaps souv. de mme. sablayrolles?
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#1 of 8 posted
15 MAY 08 by
Cass
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That is an interesting possibility. The plant requires a warm climate to perform well on its own roots. In the hot South, it is vigorous and lovely. My own plant has been given away, with the hope it will find a climate it likes.
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#2 of 8 posted
10 SEP 08 by
kai-eric
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dear cass,
i'm right confused.
there is no carmine border to the blooms. meanawhile i see some similarities to isabelle nabonnand which is blooming right near thomasville.
do you have any informations, that isabelle nabonnand might have been imported to us in the 19th century?
wishful thx
kai-eric
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#3 of 8 posted
10 SEP 08 by
Cass
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Hi, Kai-Eric,
I haven't found any references yet that show Isabelle Nabonnand in the USA, but now I am checking for the name misspelled as "Isabella Nabonnand," and I am finding some references. I agree that the resemblance of "Thomasville Old Gold" to Isabelle Nabonnand is striking!
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#4 of 8 posted
11 SEP 08 by
kai-eric
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hello cass,
he're some more roses in europe which are right similar.:souvenir de gilbert nabonnand and clementina carbonieri.
isabella seems to be faintly different but shows often the same mustard to corn-yellow nub. maybe thomasville has more informal appearence.
would you please check the pictures i've inserted with the a.m. items...
thankfully
kai-eric
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#5 of 8 posted
11 SEP 08 by
Cass
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Thanks! Clementina Carbonieri is well known to Vintage Gardens, where "Thomasville Old Gold" is sold. I don't think they are the same. Souvenir de Gilbert Nabonnand isn't sold in North America, to my knowledge.
I found "Thomasville Old Gold" to be a weak and difficult plant that did not like my cool climate garden. Now that my garden is in a hot location, I think it would grow better. Good luck in your quest. I do like the look of Isabelle Nabonnand as a possibility. It was very widely grown and used.
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Cass, Gilbert Nabonnand was listed in Theodosia Shepherd's Ventura by the Sea nursery in Ventura CA in either the 1898 or 1913 catalogs. The other possibilities listed here were not, nor were they listed in the ROYAT or other archival nursery listings I have had access to.
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Virtually every variety of rose grown in Europe was at one time imported into the USA.Varieties no longer available in this country were as late at the 1950's still available and recommended in garden books,"Lady Roberts" being an example.
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#7 of 8 posted
1 DEC 08 by
kai-eric
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thank you, edalweber!
certainly most teas have had their roots in europe,some of them possessing names which they lost by time and accident,
i'm wondering that 'thomasville old gold' which is such an amazing plant and thus unmistakable, has never revealed its identity.
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The foliage has the characteristics of Perle des Jardins, very prone to mildew. I suspect it is related, as a wild guess(which I havn't looked into), Sunset.
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