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"Raff Majalis" rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 106-742
most recent 2 DEC HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 30 NOV by Patricia Routley
Continuing a thread from "What Is This"
Rafael, Yes, these are infrastipular prickles. It seems it also produces prickles elsewhere on the older wood - your photo 309122.
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Reply #1 of 14 posted 1 DEC by rafael maino
Yes Patricia, and a lot of prickles on the new canes
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Reply #2 of 14 posted 1 DEC by rafael maino
I add new pics of the canes where you can see large number of prickles!!!
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Reply #3 of 14 posted 1 DEC by Jay-Jay
The flower-buds made me think of Thérèse Bugnet.
Is it maybe one of her ancestors: 'R. amblyotis'?
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Reply #4 of 14 posted 1 DEC by Andrew from Dolton
Buds of R. cinnamomea 'Plena'
http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.282728
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Reply #5 of 14 posted 1 DEC by Jay-Jay
Some of my Thérèse Bugnet seedlings look like Your rose. The red twigs would speak for that.
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Reply #6 of 14 posted 1 DEC by Jay-Jay
R. cinnamomea Plena seems not to have those glands on the flower-buds, like Rafael Maino's rose... and Your rose either.
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Reply #7 of 14 posted 1 DEC by Andrew from Dolton
I found the rose growing in a hedgerow where an old cottage once stood. Before I saw it in flower I thought it was 'The D'orsay Rose'. When the blooms opened it was obviously different. HMF set up a study page 'Bissett Cottage Rose' and I was contacted by other members who believed it was actually R. cinnamomea 'Plena'.
http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.75130&tab=1
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Reply #8 of 14 posted 1 DEC by Jay-Jay
Your rose has red twigs, does Cinamomea have those too?
Thérèse Bugnet has!
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Reply #9 of 14 posted 1 DEC by Andrew from Dolton
Hmmmmm you're right it has green stems, So what do you think my rose could be? I have to say it does not look that similar to any of the parents of 'Thérèse Bugnet'.
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Reply #10 of 14 posted 1 DEC by Jay-Jay
Andrew maybe the last part of this discussion belongs to the page for Your found rose; 'Bissett Cottage Rose'.
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Reply #11 of 14 posted 1 DEC by rafael maino
Andrew, I think that your "Bisset Cottage Rose" is indeed 'Rosa cinnamomea plena', I saw it some years ago in Sangerhausen Rosarium, and the plant and flowers are identical, I will try to find some photos i take there, and add to your BCR page, to compare
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Reply #12 of 14 posted 1 DEC by Andrew from Dolton
Thank you Rafael, that would be helpful.
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Reply #13 of 14 posted 1 DEC by rafael maino
Hello Jay-Jay, I think my rose is not R. amblyotis, if you look at the stipules, this in "Raff Majalis" are big and round, in R. amblyotis are thin and red, in "RM" are green, the leaves are not so big like in amblyotis, and have not so many leaflets, only 3 to 7. The clusters of buds are initially covered by bracts and the stipules of leaves. The leaves of "RM" are more dark green grey bluish than Amblyotis leaves. The hips in amblyotis are round, in "RM" are "turbinate"
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Reply #14 of 14 posted 2 DEC by Jay-Jay
Like You point out, one has always got to look at all the aspects, to define/determine a rose.
And not only at a rose-flower(bud).
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