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'The Sweetheart Rose' Reviews & Comments
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19 SEP 11 by
IanM
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Why do some authors (and nurseries) place this rose in Floribunda rather than Polyantha?
I notice too that it is often placed as a China, but I suspect is technically more a "poly-China". but I'm curious to know how it can be perceived as a Floribunda?
I am not talking about the Improved Cecile Brunner, which is a Floribunda. I mean the original Cecile Brunner which is also placed in floribunda by some people.
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As you probably know, polyanthas became hybrid polyanthas and eventually floribundas as the flowers increased in size. My suspicion is many people put it in with floribundas because it can easily grow significantly larger than many other polys and, if we're talking nursery listings, floribundas will sell better than polyanthas because more people know what floribundas are, than are familiar with polys.
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19 SEP 11 by
IanM
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Thanks Kim, Yes I suspect that is the reason. I notice that Phillips and Rix place Cecile Brunner in with the early Hybrid Teas!
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In San Francisco, you can hardly walk down any street without seeing CB planted in someone's garden. This must have been a very popular rose in the 20th century here , widely propagated by nurseries and sold everywhere. And why not? This is a very satisfactory landscape rose here -- tough, drought resistant, free of diseases and always in flower. The spring flush is particularly spectacular, but the bushes are never without a few flowers, even in winter.
The plant in my garden was there when I bought the house, and though not perfectly sited, I have left it where it is. It is one of three plants in the whole garden that I did not remove/replace (a walnut tree, a pear tree and CB) I can't imagine having a garden without CB.
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I know that my grandparents had CB in the garden of their house on 32nd Ave. - my grandfather used to put a bud in his lapel every day before going out for his walk. This would have been in the 1930s.
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14 JAN 05 by
Unregistered Guest
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I am looking for a Cecile Brunner Tree Rose but am having a hard time finding one. Nurseries that I have talked too can't tell me if it comes in a tree form. They only know of the srub and climbing varieties. Can anyone help? Thank you.
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I Just completed an "Advanced Search" of the HelpMeFind database for 'Cecile Brunner' sold as a tree rose. None of the nurseries which have their inventories listed on the site, indicated that they have this rose available as a tree rose.
However, we are continuously updating inventories for many of the nurseries listed on HelpMeFind, and you might check back and want to do a search. Here are the steps:
1. Click on "Search" at the top of the page
2. Click on "Roses"
3. Click on the "Advanced Search" tab
4. Click on "Name"
5. Go to bottom of page and click on "Continue"
6. Click on "Class"
7. Click the box for "Tree Rose"
8. Go to the bottom of the page and click on "Continue"
9. Click on "Search"
The advanced search feature allows you to use several variables while searching for a particular rose.
Smiles,
Lyn
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16 SEP 04 by
Anonymous-797
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We live in Southern California and wish to plant Cecil Brunners on a trellis by the house. We are in a fire area so we try to buy plants that are fire resistant or fire retardant. I can't find any information on Cecil Brunner. Does anyone know how it response in a fire. Is it save or not save to plant by the house? Thank you.
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14 DEC 04 by
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I'd imagine roses would be fairly fire resistant. They do contain a fair amount of water, and Mme. Cecile Brunner is ever green so it would always have moisture laden foliage. Of course, should there be a fire, this moisture would quickly dry up and the rose would burn like any other woody plant. Roses don't contain the oils and resisns some other plants do, such as Pittosporum. Unless you want a huge plant which is pretty much spring bloom, I'd suggest Spray Cecile Brunner. It grows to about fifteen feet and is ever blooming. The traditional Climbing Cecile Brunner can easily grow to well over twenty to twenty-five feet, and most only bloom in the spring, unless you are in a coastal environment. The milder areas "trick" the rose into "thinking" it's spring, even later into the fall, so it may continue to bloom. Or, it may not. That's why I'd suggest Spray Cecile Brunner. Same flower, fragrance and great foliage, just smaller and more floriferous than the climber.
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