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most recent 26 OCT 18 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 24 OCT 18 by Andrew from Dolton
Rosa canina has smooth hips and does not have a persistent calyx.
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Reply #1 of 7 posted 24 OCT 18 by Patricia Routley
Thank you Andrew. I have added that point to the Notes for R. canina.
Do you know what sort of pedicel R. canina has. Smooth or prickly/glandular?
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Reply #2 of 7 posted 24 OCT 18 by Andrew from Dolton
It is totally smooth.
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Reply #3 of 7 posted 24 OCT 18 by Patricia Routley
Thanks Andrew. What with your observation, Jeffrey’s photo, and the 1799 reference, you have given me a quick and easy way to tell the difference between the Dog Rose and the Sweet Briar. It may be a bit too simplistic as the Note on the main page says: “Almost 400 forms and variants have been documented”, but I have added “smooth pedicel” to the description.
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Reply #4 of 7 posted 25 OCT 18 by Andrew from Dolton
These two publications are generally quite reliable:

Hillier's Manual of Trees and Shrubs, 5th edition 1984. Redburn Ltd, Trowbridge Wilts.

p.333
canina L. "Dog Rose". A familiar native rose of hedge banks and downs. A medium-sized to large shrub with strong prickly stems and leaves with five to seven leaflets. Flowers 4 to 5cm. across, white or pink scented, followed by bright red egg shaped fruits. Perhaps the most variable of all roses, countless varieties and subspecies having received names. Europe; W. Asia.

p.342
rubiginosa L. (eglanteria L. not MILL.). "Sweet Briar"; "Eglantine". A strong growing, medium-sized shrub with stout, erect, densely prickly and glandular stems. The deliciously aromatic leaves are composed of five to seven rounded leaflets and the clear pink, fragrant, beautifully formed flowers, 3 to 4cm. across. stud the arching branches during summer. Fruits bright red, oval, lasting well into winter. A lovely native species famed for its fragrance both of flower and foliage. It makes a pleasant but vigorous hedge. Europe. It is a parent of innumerable hybrids and has given rise to several hundred forms, few of which are now in cultivation. Please see our Rose Catalogue under Lord Penzance's Briars. A.M. 1975.

W. Keble Martin, Concise British Flora in Colour. 1972 edition. Ebury Press/Michael Joseph

plate 30
Rosa canina L. Dog Rose. R.systyla Bast. ¶Pedicels 1-2 cm, sub glabrous; sepals falling early; stigmas conical, narrower than disk. Common. Flo. June-July.

Rosa rubininoga L. Sweet Briar. R. eleganteria auct. ¶Leaflets roundly oval, very glandular below and scented; pedicels short, glandular hispid; fr. hispid; sepals persistent; flo usually deep pink. Mostly on calcareous soils. Flo. June-July.
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Reply #6 of 7 posted 25 OCT 18 by Patricia Routley
Thank you Andrew. References Added.
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Reply #7 of 7 posted 26 OCT 18 by Andrew from Dolton
I don't know if you would want this as a reference but it is a bit of fun to read, my spellcheck almost went into meltdown!

Geoffrey Grigson, The Englishman’s Flora. Pub. 1958, 1996 edition Helicon Publishing Limited, 42 Hythe Bridge Street, Oxford, OX1 2EP.

P160-1
Wild Rose, Dog Rose, Rosa canina L., etc.

Local names for the fruit include: PUCKIES, Aber[deenshire], Ire[land]; BUCKIE-BERRIES, N Ire[land]; CANKERS, Dor[set], Ess[ex], Norf[olk], Cam[bridgeshire], CANKER-BERRIES, Kent; CAT-CHOOPS, Cumb[ria]; CAT-JUGS, Yks[Yorkshire], Dur[Ham]; CHOOPS (cf. Norwegian kjupa), Yks, Dur, Cumb, Rox[burgshire], Dum[friesshire], Ayr[eshire]; DOG-BERRIES, Hants [Hampshire], Yks; Dog-Choops, Yks; Dog-Hips, Scot[land]; DOG-HIPPENS, Aber; DOG-JOBS, Yks; DOG-JUMPS, Yks; HAGGISSES (cf. Crateagus monogyna), Hants; Haws (cf. Crateagus), Dor; HAWPS, N. Scot; HEDGE-SPARKS, Glos [Gloucestershire]; HEDGY-PEDGIES, Wilts[hire]; HIPS, (OE [old English] hoepe), general from Wilts to Scotland, in various forms, Hep, Epp etc; HIPPANS, Mor[ayshire]; DOGS HIPPANS, Aber; HIPSONS, Oxf[ordshire]; HUGGANS, Yorks; ITCHING-BERRIES, Lancs [Lancashire]; NIPPERNAILS, NIPS (cf. Norwegian nypen), Ches[hire]; PIGS-NOSES, Dev[on]; PIXIE PEARS (cf Crateagus monogyna), Dev, Hants; RED BERRIES, Yks; SOLDIERS, Kent.
The seeds, which children put down each other’s necks to produce itching, are BUCKIE-LICE, S Scot, Ire; COW-ITCHERS, Ches; TICKLERS and TICKLING TOMMIES, Dev.

The plant names include: BRIAR (which is a prickly shrub, particularly a wild rose; and mainly northern -- ‘breer’ frequently), N’hants [Northamptonshire], Worc[estershire], Shrop[shire], Ches, Derb[yshire], Notts [Nottinghamshire], Rut[land], Lincs [Lincolnshire], Lancs, Yks, Dur, N’thum [Northumberland], Berw[ickshire], Rox; BIRD-BRIAR, Ches; Brimble, Shrop; BUCKLE-BRIAR, N Ire; BUCKY, N Ire; CANKER Dev, Som[erset], Dor, Ess, Norf, Lincs, Cumb; CANKER-ROSE, Dev, Som, Kent; CAT-ROSE, Ches; CAT-WHIM , Yks, N Eng[land]; CHOOP-TREE, Cumb; COCK-BRAMBLE, Suff[olk].
DICKIE-ROSE (i.e. hedge-rose), Cumb; DOG-BREER, Yks; DOG’S BRIAR, Hants; HIP-BRIAR, Shrop; HIP-ROSE, Glos; HIP-TREE, Glos, N’thum; HORSE-BRAMBLE, E Ang [East Anglia]; HUMACK, Som; KLONGER OR KLUNGER (old Norse Klung), Shet[land]; LAWYERS, Surr[ey], War[wickshire]; NEDDY-GRINNEL, Worcs; PIG-ROSE, Corn[wall]; PIG’S ROSE, Dev; ROE-BRIAR Som; YOE-BRIMBLE (i.e. ewe bramble), Dev, Som.

Roses have been so anciently cultivated that the wild roses were overshadowed or outshone. ‘I had rather put a canker in a hedge than a rose in his grace’, John the Bastard remarked of his brother, the prince in Much Ado about Nothing (I, iii), and Gerard, after dealing at length with the garden rose, which ‘doth deserve the chiefest and most principall place among all flowers whatsoever, being not only esteemed for his beautie, ventures, and his fragrant and odoriferous smell; but also bicause it is the honor and ornament of our English Scepter’, disposes quickly of the wild kinds -- ‘The faculties of these wilde Roses are reffered to the manured Rose, but not used in Phisicke where the other may be had’.
Roses in the garden are equally there for physic and delight. At the time of the tulip mania, Thomas Fuller put a speech into the mouth into the mouth of the rose at a solemn rendezvous of flowers and herbs. The Rose complained that he was being ousted by the ‘toolip’, he ‘neglected and contemned, and conceived beneath the honour of noble hands, and fit only to grow in the Gardens of Yeoman’. He had the precedency of all flowers under the patent of colours and scent, but he relied also on his virtues -- ‘Yea, when dead, I am more sovereign than living. What cordials are made of my syrup! How many corrupted Lungs (those fans of Nature), sore wasted with consumption . . . are with conserves made of my stamped leaves restored to their former soundness againe’? -- whereas the toopil was no more than ‘a well complexioned stink, an ill savour wrapt up in pleasant colours; as for the use thereof in physick, no physitian hath honoured it yet with the mention, nor with a Greek or Latin name, so inconsiderable hath it hitherto been accompted’ (Antheologia, or the speech of flowers, 1660).
Garden roses were used against a hundred ills, from St Anthony’s Fire to the French pox; but medicine had recourse to the wild rose for one thing -- the reddish-yellow bedeguar or Robin’s Pincushion, the gall made by the gall wasp Rhodites rosea. These ‘Briar balls’ were sold by the apothecaries. They were no powdered and a decoction of the powder was taken to break the stone, as a diuretic, and for colic. Each briar ball contains the larva of Rhodites rosea and the larvae of various predators and parasites. These are no deterrent but an additional medicine: ‘In the middle of the balls are often found certain white worms, which being dried and made into powder, and some of it drunk, is found by Experience of many, to kill and drive forth the Worms of the Belly’. English country people have also hung bedeguars round their necks as an amulet against whooping cough.
The opprobrious ‘Dog-Rose’ first occurs in Gerard’s Herbal to distinguish wild from garden roses. By way of the mediaeval Latin Rosa canina, it goes back to Pliny’s cynorrodon, with the root of which a dog-bitten soldier of Praetorian Guard cured himself of hydrophobia.
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Reply #5 of 7 posted 25 OCT 18 by Andrew from Dolton
This picture has very typical hips for Rosa canina.

http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.115650
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Discussion id : 66-207
most recent 4 AUG 12 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 3 AUG 12 by JessicaB
That looks like something from a nightmare...
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Reply #1 of 3 posted 3 AUG 12 by RoseBlush
I have found that galls are common on the species roses growing wild in my part of California. The roses seem to survive just fine, so I am guessing that the galls are caused by an insect instead of bacteria in the soil.

Smiles,
Lyn
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Reply #2 of 3 posted 4 AUG 12 by Patricia Routley
That's just an old hip Lyn, surely.
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Reply #3 of 3 posted 4 AUG 12 by RoseBlush
You're right, Patricia. I guess I didn't look closely enough the first time.

Smiles,
Lyn
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