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Henrique Rodrigues Vivián
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Henrique your roses are just beautiful & the photos are excellent, you have so many lovely varieties also, .... I notice you have a rose called 'Acapella' & I have a rose that looks identical as far as the flower & form goes, but on the notes it says it has a fragrant perfume & mine is a very mild perfume, also the leaves on mine are dark & glossy like a 'Peace' rose & it has about 50 petals.
I have placed a lot of photos on my page at Photobucket below which I have tentatively called 'Acapella' & I wondered if you'd mind giving me your opinion if you can spare the time ?, I'd be very grateful,
Thanks again for sharing all your lovely roses,
Kind Regards, Yvonne
http://photobucket.com/albums/b346/ymfoster/Roses/?sc+1
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Dear Yvonne,
After seeing your beautiful photos and considering the description of leaves, I think your rose is really ACAPELLA.
About fragrance, no problem, ''noses'' are not similar (experts opinions diverge,some ones have more difficulty to smell... and they allot mild fragrance, in the other extreme is the breeder with the maximum fragrance) and the number of petals can also vary.
Roses are very capricious, may be because are so beautiful.
Kind regards,
Henrique
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Thanks for the nice compliments Henrique,
and thanks so much for confirming my Acapella, it is very much appreciated as I've been looking for an ID for a long time, I'm very grateful for you taking the time to compare it, ........ I really enjoy all your beautiful roses also, wish I had room for some of those varieties,
Thanks again,
Kind Regards, Yvonne
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Henrique, your comment about noses being different was right on target. Add to that, fragrance is created by oils and alcohols which require specific humidities and temperatures to express. If it's too damp, too dry, too hot or too cold, or any combination of these variables, the fragrance may not express. Or, they may express intensely and evaporate so the variety appears scentless. When you consider all the possibilities, it seems a miracle that any two people would be able to perceive the same fragrance at the same time.
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Kim, your explanation it was implicit in my comment but written by you is better. Anyway, I believe that our sense of smell can vary from people to people with some specific scents. Thanks. Henrique |
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Yvonne, Have you considered uploading your photos to HelpMeFind for the rose community to enjoy. |
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29 APR 06 by
Cheryl
Hi Henrique, I always admire your beautiful photos and like others who have commented here I have learnt to pick them as they are added to HMF. I notice that you grow the Delbard rose 'Belle du Seigneur'. I also notice that the only photos of it have come from you. I cannot seem to get a decent flower on this rose. They seem to often be misshapen and poor although the plant is healthy and very vigorous. It may be a climate problem as I live in Australia and it is very warm here. I just wondered how you found the blooms on this plant? Thanks. Once again your roses are lovely. Cheryl Moore |
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#1 of 9 posted
2 MAY 06 by
Unregistered Guest
Hi Cheryl I also live in Australia in Melbourne ,Victoria. I have Belle du Seigneur growing as a standard.I bought it in May 06 and have had heaps of blooms.I,too have a number of Delbards and have success with all except La Jago. With Belle: have you thought about your feeding routine?I use Blood and Bone,cow manure,and every now and then I throw on a bit of Thrive and MiracleGro.I have mine in a very sunny position and always trim back or deadhead to encourage new growth. I cant say I have the same success with La Jago,bought at the same time.When I got it it had loads of buds all of which bloomed beautifully. Since then nothing.It is growing and the foliage is healthy. Dont know with this one! cheers Michelle |
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#4 of 9 posted
4 MAY 06 by
Cheryl
Hi Michelle, If anything I probably over fertilize. Sudden Impact, Seamungus, Maxicrop, Seasol, Thrive, Miracle Gro, Blood & Bone and about 40 bags cow manure every three months. I've got hundreds of roses. Every other one is fine. Even the ones either side of this. It puts out those long healthy canes that other Delabards do and then every now and again tiny squashed looking flowers that are most unattractive. Next to it I have 'Henri Matisse'. That is fine. If I have opinion it maybe that it doesn't like the heat up here. Also water is scarce. We have water restrictions up here too although I manage to do a lot of hand watering. 'Belle' is planted in full sun. Just seems odd to have such a poor flower. Cheryl |
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#5 of 9 posted
4 MAY 06 by
Anonymous-101874
Hi Cheryl Well, it seems a mystery! Occasionally ,If nothing works, I move a rose to a new position or into a large container full of rich potting mix and give it lots of "TLC" This has worked for me . I have then left it in the planter for maybe 2 years, feed and water well. Other than that I cant think of any other suggestions. I have included a photo but all I can say is Good Luck! Cheers Michelle |
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#6 of 9 posted
4 MAY 06 by
Cheryl
Michelle, Thanks for showing me you standard of a 'Belle'. My canes would have been growing 4 or 5 feet in length and laterally not straight up. I'll try moving it. You might be right about it just being a mystery. Cheryl |
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Thanks Cheryl I have a major [problem with "Claire Rose".It, too, sends tall canes (up to fence height) and this year in particular ,I have only had about 2 blooms!I have cut it back but it made no difference.Unlike yours which are shooting laterally mine are sky high!Do you have any advice?Sounds like a similiar problem to your Belle.:))cheers Michelle |
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Dear Michele and Cheryl, I only add, in my modest opinion, a simple example about treatment of roses.Some parents say that their children are educated the same way , but the results are quite different and dont understand why. For me is the same with roses,not only, so I emphasize the opinion of Michele, when roses dont feel well in the place we put them we must give an alternative way of life, by changing conditions of soil, light, food, water and draught. I have a lot of bizarre examples in my experience with roses. Sometimes, even the breeders would like to know about that. But the problem ,for me, is that there are few, very few rules. And, Cheryl, I understand your doubt concerning climate. I know that in extreme conditions of weather the results are the same anywhere. But, at least,there are some days good for roses, even in Australia ,I am sure, beause my roses support temperatures between 35 and 40 centigrade degrees, or more, in Summer. Thank you both for your contribution. Henrique |
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#9 of 9 posted
5 MAY 06 by
Cheryl
Michelle, I am finding good examples of what you describe in some 'Delbard ' roses and some 'Austins'. I am sure that there are many other roses that have the same growth habits. My 'Henri Matisse' sends up long canes but I love the fragrance and I would put up with just about anything from this rose. I also have a 'Yellow Charles Austin' that wants to grow to the heavens with a few flowers on the end. Logically I think that the roses are meant for much bigger spaces than I have available to grow them in. They probably should be allowed to become quite large and reside somewhere on acreage. But I haven't got acreage so I think I might feed these slightly different than the rest and feed with a fertilizer that has less nitrogen and more of the bloom boosting stuff and see if that helps. I also have another Delbard that is notorious for long canes called 'Citron Fraise'. Perhaps in the case of the Delbards there is something in the breeding line that promotes the long canes. It could also be the same case with some of the 'Austins'. I really don't know. I'll fiddle around with fertilizers for now and see what happens. Significant pruning has only some marginal effect. Cheryl |
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Hi Cheryl, I have been watching my "Belle du Seigneur" but is lazy, not yet in full bloom. It is the second year of its life , so is not easy for me express a solid opinion about this rose. I can say that while you have a vigorous plant without well formed blooms I have a little plant with beautifull flowers, not very large.Sometimes, according expert opinions, the excess of nitrogen can induce an extra growing but not extra flowers. May be yes or not the problem of your "Belle..." .And if doesn't like the place? ...Warm climate only can burn exuberant flowers. Thank you for your kind comments, but... you have excellent photos! Henrique |
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#3 of 9 posted
3 MAY 06 by
Cheryl
Thank you Henrique for your response. Cheryl |
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Great Shots Henrique!
What a chance to already have blooms!
Etienne
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Great work Etienne!
I have a chance to have a softer climate(Winter only), but you have a chance to live near a lot of public gardens. Some years ago have seen La Roserai de Bagatelle and Palmengarten Frankfurt. Now, I d'ont like flying, so the roses "come" to me...
Merci.
Henrique
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I just wanted to thank you for contributing such beautiful photos. I have been coming to HMF for a couple of years now, and find that I almost always select your photos first! You really are a gifted gardener and photographer.
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I'm glad you like my photos and gardening. Annie, you should increase your garden beause you have beautiful photos. I mainly like the brightness of your "Paradise". Thank you.
Henrique
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