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'JACXBEE' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 101-352
most recent 29 AUG 17 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 24 JUN 17 by Janine Arlette
I found this stunning rose today and was sold immediately. The blooms are of a yellowish caramel tone with mauve reverse side and they wither to complete mauve. The plant ist very healthy and the filaments are of the same yellowish caramel.
I hope it will soon be commercially available. Really extraordinary.
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Reply #1 of 23 posted 24 JUN 17 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
Greetings Janine,

I'm glad you like my little climber.

Like so many of my creations, this one has yet to find a distributor.

It was tested for several years here in the U.S. and it appears the decision has been made not to introduce it at this time.

As you can see it was sent to Bierkreek in the Netherlands, who apparently sent this rose and others to various gardens in Europe.

Unfortunately Bierkreek has never honored my requests in terms of production or marketing of my roses. If they are marketing this rose it is not with my permission.

We rose breeders appear to have few rights and little control over our product. Even after repeated attempts we could never agree to terms.

I suspect I will never see a dime in terms of royalties from those varieties sent to Bierkreek.

It's a sad tale and the reason I haven't posted anything new to HMF in some time.
In the future I will try to find distributors in Europe who are more reputable.

Of course these things take time.

Best wishes and thanks for your kind comments.

Robert Neil Rippetoe
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Reply #2 of 23 posted 24 JUN 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
JACXBEE is a climber? that's a big plus for cold-zone. I'm interested in buying JACXBEE & your fragrant creations for my zone 5a garden (please let me know via PM & thanks). Your Bohemian Rhapsody is 100% thornless & constant bloomer, many-petals like an Austin Rose .. bloom way better than Knock-out in hot & dry weather, and glorious in rainy & cool weather. Your thornless Yves Piaget-offspring has a wonderful scent, like grape and red-wine, survives many zone 5a winters. Roses that can take dry heat can also handle cold winter well. I'm in zone 5a, but I have the same favorite roses as KBW in extremely hot Pakistan, with 113 F temp.
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Reply #3 of 23 posted 24 JUN 17 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
This one is probably best trained to a pillar or used as a short climber.

I've updated some of the information posted here.

Straw, as far as I know there are no sources here in the U.S. for this one. I'm not sure it would hardy in zone 5a.

Thank you for your kind comments.

Best wishes, Robert.
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Reply #6 of 23 posted 25 JUN 17 by Janine Arlette
Dear Robert,
Thank you so much for taking the time to answer me that detailed.
Your JACXBEE is one of the most striking roses in the rose novelties garden without a doubt. Everybody who saw my photos of her was instantly sold.
And there are many roses.

Some days ago I talked to a rose breeder who is collecting pollens from my garden in a yearly manner about how "rose novelties" might be defined by the jury who evaluates the roses as we cannot understand their choices.
Shouldn't "novelty" imply something completely new?
And haven't there been enough baby pink, red and white climbing roses on the market, yet?

I started to send e-mails to my rose dealers to whom I am notorious for buying almost only climbing roses and asked them whether I will be able to buy JACXBEE from them in the near future and attached some pictures.
Even if they won't carry it, I might be able to find out what criteria they apply for choosing their assortment.

What will happen to the JACXBEE in the rose garden here in Baden-Baden when they need her place for the next generation in two years? Can I buy it from them?

Have a lovely Sunday
Greetings from a fan.
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Reply #10 of 23 posted 25 JUN 17 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
Janine,

I'm afraid you know as much as I do when it comes to whether this rose will be introduced or what becomes of test roses after their trial period expires in Baden Baden.

Perhaps you could ask one of the Curators there?

I'd love to know myself.

Thanks, Robert
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Reply #11 of 23 posted 25 JUN 17 by Janine Arlette
Hi Robert,
I just sent them an e-mail. They are known for being quite responsive so I guess we will find out soon.
I' ll keep you posted.
You're very welcome
Janine
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Reply #13 of 23 posted 28 JUN 17 by Janine Arlette
Good morning Robert,
I just received the answer from the curators and they let me know that they are not allowed under no circumstances to give the roses which need to be removed to anybody.
They further informed me that your roses have been sent to the competition by Bierkreek and that I might turn to them and ask them whether it is possible to purchase your JACXBEE from there.
Thus I sent Bierkreek an e-mail as I bought roses from them before.
If you are interested in the original message from the curators just let me know to where I can forward it.
Have a lovely day
Janine
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Reply #16 of 23 posted 28 JUN 17 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
Janine,

thanks for your efforts and letting me know the result.

Now I'll be curious to know if you are able to order this rose from Bierkreek. They are selling other varieties I've bred, in particular an award winner getting broad distribution here in America. We call it, 'Miracle on the Hudson'. They call it 'Zeelandia'.

I truly wish these roses had come to Europe through a different nursery. No doubt I'd be much happier as a result.

Best Wishes, Robert
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Reply #19 of 23 posted 29 JUN 17 by Janine Arlette
Dear Robert,
I just received the answer from Bierkreek:
They told me that they are not allowed to sell this rose to anybody at that point of time and maybe never will be.

I really really hope it will bloom in my garden one day.
Have a lovely day
Best wishes from Germany to the U.S..
Janine
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Reply #20 of 23 posted 29 JUN 17 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
Janine,

thanks for your conscientious efforts.

Hopefully I'll get a distributor for JACBEE. Till then it lives here waiting to greet the world one day.

It's becoming more and more difficult for individual hybridizers to get commercial introductions. I've been quite fortunate to have one commercial introduction doing quite well here in the U.S.

There are more to be introduced in the next few seasons.

These things take time.

Best wishes, Robert


Oh!, and by the way, since you're a dog lover you might be interested to know. We also bred and showed dogs for the better part of thirty years and made several AKC Champions here in the states.

A number were exported to Europe where they also did very well. They have a myriad of descendants. Many are show dogs.

If it's of interest look them up. I love following the progress of their offspring.

They are SUPER CUTE, if I do say so myself. =)

Do a search for, Rip's Haute Dogue.

You can follow the links to others.

In dog we trust. ;-) Robert NEIL Rippetoe
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Reply #14 of 23 posted 28 JUN 17 by Puns 'n' Roses
Robert,
upon reading this conversation I am sincerely shocked about the treatment a small (=non-corporate) hybridizer gets. I have been following your hybridizing endeavours here and in the RHA forum and have been especially curious about LIEXGOLDA because of The Monster in her pedigree. I saw that your roses are now a decade old and you haven't still heard about the nursery's plans? Obviously they liked them enough to send them to the novelty garden, which can be interpreted as a good sign?
I have no experience in the rose "industry" but I've worked in the book "industry" and such a behaviour from a publishing firm is absolutely unthinkable (printing and selling a book is not so different from propagating and selling a rose you would think).
Please do not give up on distribution of your roses in Europe. I think they have a lot to offer, not only from the novelty point of view but also genetically, seeing that you use lots of species that have not been explored a lot by European breeders. In Germany, the mass market is dominated by Kordes and Austin with a small share for Tantau, Poulsen, Noack etc. Then there are the huge mail-order nurseries with more of a non-conformist selection like Schultheis and Ruf (both highly recommended). I sincerely hope you will find a good distributor in Europe!
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Reply #15 of 23 posted 28 JUN 17 by Janine Arlette
Good morning puns'n'roses,
Thank you for your contribution. I support everything you wrote and sent an inquiry to Schultheis last week concerning JACXBEE.
Maybe if more of us did we could promote some not-mainstream roses of non-professional breeders?
As I live in Baden-Baden and have easy access to the rose novelties garden I thought about opening an Instagram account and spreading some pictures of the sometimes really outstanding roses that are growing there for about 3 years and then disappear for good without having been seen by most of the rose lovers around the world.
What do you think?
Herzliche Grüße aus Baden-Baden
Janine
P.S.: Love your nick. As a huge Sebastian Bach fan I have a soft spot for Axl, too, and am one lucky girl to have seen both of them live in concert.
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Reply #17 of 23 posted 28 JUN 17 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
Puns,

yes, it's unfortunate the way things have turned out regarding introduction of my roses in Europe.

After Bierkreek had my roses and had begun selling them, they informed me that I am responsible for all their research expenses and that they couldn't possibly pay me a royalty until all those expenses were paid first.

We could never agree on terms so how could they know what I've earned, even IF I had agreed to pay their research expenses?

I requested they quit selling any of my varieties some years ago. They have not complied with this request.

Once bitten, twice shy. I have the name of an individual with a nursery who is said to be reputable. I really need to get some things together to send.

I'm glad you like my LIEXGOLDA. I was advised some years ago now not to post any roses to HMF that had commercial potential as it could interfere with potential patenting. That's why I post very little.

There have been thousands of interesting seedlings. If I get the time and the inclination I will try to post some of these that were not introduced as some have quite interesting pedigrees.

Thanks for your comments and best wishes, Robert.
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Reply #18 of 23 posted 28 JUN 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Robert: I'm so sorry to hear of such unfairness & pray that you'll find a good outlet. Just look at the weather in your Rancho Mirage, and it's above 110 F or 43 C now, with annual rainfall of 3 inch per year, compared to my 38 inch of rain & 29 inch of snow. Your climate of hot & dry, plus sandy soil provides the perfect breeding for drought-tolerant roses. Roses with deep root & drought-tolerant are also cold-hardy. If I see another Knock-out here in my zone 5a I'm going to puke, so I hope that your tough & exotic roses will be marketed successfully in cold areas as well as dry & hot areas. Daily I drove by a highway island, right in the middle of the road they planted landscape roses. Fantastic for the 1st year, then died through the winter, clearly NOT drought-tolerant. So it's a wasteland, real eyesore. Also Dr.Huey-rootstock-take-over are really messy here, this world clearly needs tough & drought-tolerant OWN-ROOT roses to grace the land.
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Reply #4 of 23 posted 24 JUN 17 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
Janine, if you go back to the gardens, you might see if this one is also there.

http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.60558.0

It is a favorite of mine but quite short growing.


Thanks, Robert
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Reply #5 of 23 posted 25 JUN 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
I check out the above link. Wow !! That's beautiful orange & zillion of petals. Too bad my cold-zone requires vigorous & tall roses. I hope someone would cross Pink Traviata (a robust beast here in zone 5a, with "plastic petals" that last forever in high heat). Also Betty White and Dee-lish are tall & vigorous & heat/cold tolerant with huge root in zone 5a ... with something fragrant & orange & zone 4/5 hardy (Pat Austin, Lady of Shallot, Crown Princess Magereta, Sutter' Gold). After growing 110+ varieties of own-roots, I go after vigor & the bigger the root, the better for heat & drought & winter-survival. The taller the rose, less chance of rabbit chewing on it in spring.
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Reply #8 of 23 posted 25 JUN 17 by Janine Arlette
Dear Straw,
There is guaranteed and very pleasant rabbit chewing protection for your garden in the next dog shelter.
Meet my paw patrol squad Yngwie, Batman and Callas who keep my gardens rabbit, deer and boar free by only shedding their coat and showing some presence.
:-)
Have a lovely Sunday
Janine
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Reply #12 of 23 posted 25 JUN 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Nice dogs, thanks !!
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Reply #7 of 23 posted 25 JUN 17 by Janine Arlette
Yes, there is another rose of yours, but it is labeled LIEXGOLDA.
I will add my photo of her here on HMF. She has the same super healthy foliage as JACXBEE and truly beaming apricot blooms. A real beauty.
With The Yeoman being my favorite roses of all, I love roses with yellow in their center which makes them look as though there was light inside of them.
Unfortunately I caught a cold some days ago and am therefore not capable of saying anything about the roses' scent.
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Reply #9 of 23 posted 25 JUN 17 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
Janine, I forgot I sent this one!

http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.60697&tab=1

It's nice to know it's there.

Thanks, Robert
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Reply #21 of 23 posted 28 AUG 17 by Rosentrost
Hello everybody here,
I want to mention a little example: Rose breeder Josef Nieborg has bred a rose he first called Lichtblicke, later changed the name into Lux mundi. Look here please:
http://www.rosenzentrum-westmuensterland.de/images/pdf/rosentaufe2011Flyer.pdf
That variety that isnn't even here on HMF won the gold medal in Baden-Baden in 2006. Mr. Nieborg gave that variety to that nursery in north germany Rosenzentrum Westmuensterland. They wanted to sell it exclusively but they don't have a webshop. Only people who come to that nursery can buy that rose! Isn't it a pity?!
Other breeders made similar experiences.

What we can learn from that:
If you find a nursery that will propagate your variety, it should be a good one you can trust in and they should have an online shop. But even in that case it is a risk to the nursery to offer very much roses of your variety, because the have the risk, not to sell them. So they will just propagate a few numbers for rose lovers.
If you want to sell bigger numbers you need professional marketing and have to protect the rights of your rose variety. But that is very expensive and those enterprises that could do this prefer selling their own bred varieties...
I'd really like to know how for example the variety Rhapsody in blue was introduced in commerce. This rose really made it, within short time you could buy it all over the world and the breeder Mr. Cowlishaw was an amateur breeder...
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Reply #22 of 23 posted 28 AUG 17 by Patricia Routley
Rosentrost - HelpMeFind does have a rose listed 'Elly J. Nieborg' which won the Baden-Baden Golden Rose award in 2006.
Is this the same as 'Lichtblicke', 'Lux Mundi'? (Sorry I cannot get that URL to work and am rushing right now)
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Reply #23 of 23 posted 29 AUG 17 by Rosentrost
Hello Patricia
No, I don't think that Elly J. Nieborg is the same Rose as Lux mundi/formerly Lichtblicke. Lux mundi is golden yellow. If you can't open the pdf-file you can see a smaller picture of the rose here:
http://www.rosenzentrum-westmuensterland.de/index.php/rosenzentrum-westmuensterland-veranstaltungen/rosenzentrum-westmuensterland-rosentaufe2011

Mr and Mrs Nieborg both like that rose very much an privately call them their "Goldrose" probably not only because of the gold medal but also because of the colour.

I told Mr. Nieborg in a telephone call that it would bei good, if more of his numerous roses could be seen on HMF but he is already an old man an he himself woudn't start doing this. I couldn't convince him, that his best roses should be listed in HMF.

But this here is the comment place for Mr. Rippetoes roses, sorry for the long text about Nr. Nieborgs roses...
I was just sorry, that amateur beeders often have such problems with the distribution and sale of their roses...
the reason why I was calling Mr. Nieborg at all is because his rose Nr. 130 in Baden-Baden/Beutig on the rose trial area very close to the rose Jacxbee from Mr. Rippetoe. I was interested in that rose Nr. 130 too an wanted to know, if it is available in commerce.
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