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Kathy Strong
most recent 23 OCT SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 18 SEP 09 by Rosaholic's Southern California Garden
Mildews heavily in coastal Southern California
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Reply #1 of 3 posted 30 NOV 10 by John Moody
Luckily I very rarely ever see any mildew here. Nightingale is the only rose I ever seem to see any on around here. DO you happen to have a better photo??
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Reply #2 of 3 posted 30 NOV 10 by Rosaholic's Southern California Garden
I don't. I think this is a rose that would prefer more heat than my coastal climate provides. Roses with lots of petals, like Moonstone, Toro (Uncle Joe) and this one, have a hard time opening here.
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Reply #3 of 3 posted 23 OCT by jmile
This rose is a huge rose --- both the plant and the open flower. I didn't check it in the spring for fungus, but it is clear now.
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most recent 16 OCT SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 17 MAR 07 by Mike Gleason's Rose Gardens
Found this at a florist shop. Rooted very easily. Have not yet determined its garden-worthiness. Will be potted up in spring 2007 and tested.
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Reply #1 of 3 posted 13 MAR 10 by Rosaholic's Southern California Garden
Well, Mike -- how did it do? It's available here in florist shops now. Almost purchased it today.
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Reply #2 of 3 posted 15 MAR 10 by Mike Gleason's Rose Gardens
Hi Kathy,

I would guess it would do much better for you than it did for me. It just could not handle the winters no matter how much I protected it. I finally gave up and tossed it last spring.
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Reply #3 of 3 posted 16 OCT by Michael Garhart
I was wondering if it was bred out of Leonidas. It apparently has a sport that blended, which immediately made me consider the Peace line, which Leonidas is directly from. Maybe that's why its weak (Leonidas is in most climates).
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most recent 13 OCT HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 13 OCT by E. L. Hilliard
This is not Halo Dolly by Moore.
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 13 OCT by jedmar
Do you have an alternative picture which you can post?
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 13 OCT by Rosaholic's Southern California Garden
Why do you think it is not? I got that plant directly from Sequoia Nursery years ago when it was still open. All four pictures on this variety from me (which are the only pictures anyone has posted, including you), are from the same plant. I ultimately gave the plant to a friend, but I still see it at her house whenever I'm over there, and that is still a very typical bloom. The very narrow petals curve inward along a vertical axis normally, which is different and makes is easy to distinguish from other roses.

Do you grow this plant? If you do, please post some pics. My four are lonely.
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most recent 12 OCT SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 9 FEB by Kathy Strong's Del Cerro Garden
Certified Roses website shows St. Tropez as a floribunda, not hybrid tea. See,http://certifiedrose.com/images/sttropez.pdf

Quote:
Fact Sheet
New from Certified Roses for 2018
St. Tropez
(cv. ORAsyda, Rose Alleyson) PPAF
Fragrant Apricot Orange Floribunda
Class: Floribunda
Plant Habit: Medium height, 3 to 4 feet
Growth Habit: Upright to rounded, bushy
Stem Length: Medium
Foliage Color: Medium green & glossy
Disease
Resistance: Very good
Flower Color: Lasting apricot orange
Bud Form: Turbinate
Flower Form: Fully double, ruffled
Flower Size: Large, 5-inch diameter
Petal Count: 30 to 35
Fragrance: Strong licorice candy
Parentage: Easy Going x Top Notch
Hybridizer: Rosaraies Orard
Introducer: Certified Roses
Selling Points:
• What a color! The scrumptiously luscious almost-edible apricot-orange blossoms
redolent with the perfume of sweet anise can easily conjure up dreams of a cool
tropical cocktail and warm sandy beaches.
• Loads of full ruffled flowers adorn this beautiful bushy plant. Its attractive rounded
habit is clothed with an abundance of glossy green clean leaves, perfect for the
poolside, patio or landscape.
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Reply #1 of 17 posted 16 FEB by Patricia Routley
Thank you Kathy, Do you think it is a floribunda, or a hybrid tea?
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Reply #2 of 17 posted 16 FEB by Kathy Strong's Del Cerro Garden
It's a florrie.
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Reply #3 of 17 posted 16 FEB by Patricia Routley
The photos all seem to show the single blooms of a hybrid tea, and not the clustering of a floribunda.
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Reply #4 of 17 posted 16 FEB by Andrew from Dolton
Its three grandparents are all floribundas.
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Reply #5 of 17 posted 16 FEB by Patricia Routley
As were its parents. I'll add Floribunda. Justin, are you watching/listening.
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Reply #6 of 17 posted 16 FEB by Andrew from Dolton
But. it does look very much like a hybrid-tea
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Reply #7 of 17 posted 16 FEB by Kathy Strong's Del Cerro Garden
Well, I just got it as a bareroot, so I haven't seen it bloom yet, but Certified, the introducer, puts a label on each plant that says florrie.
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Reply #8 of 17 posted 16 FEB by Margaret Furness
A wandering bee, perhaps?
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Reply #9 of 17 posted 16 FEB by Patricia Routley
Oh dear. I thought you knew the rose well. Just because someone else says it was "something'" doesn't mean we have to accept it when we can see it might be "something else". HelpMeFind is all about guiding gardeners towards the truth. The breeder themselves list it as "Grandes fleurs". Isn't that a hybrid tea?
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Reply #10 of 17 posted 17 FEB by Kathy Strong's Del Cerro Garden
I disagree. The purpose of listing it as a hybrid tea or florrie should be consistent across the databases, and having one database, such as HMF, exercise its "independent judgment" should be avoided. If the seller says it's a florrie, then it is. Period. And any listing here as a hybrid tea would just plain be in error, no matter what HMF's independent judgment is.
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Reply #11 of 17 posted 17 FEB by Andrew from Dolton
I have to say I disagree with the above statement. The rose should be described in its profile as what it ACTUALLY is and not whatever tradesmen decide they would like to market it as. This is exactly why so many varieties get muddled and lost. This is exactly why HMF is so important, precisely because its judgement is independent.

There are two forth generation roses that are hybrid-teas but all other descendants are floribundas. The breeder's description of "Grandes fleurs", doesn't this translate to grandiflora? Just to throw a spanner in the works. Even so I would still expect it to still have cluster flowers as well as single stems. It would be very interesting to see what other members are growing as 'St Tropez'.
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Reply #12 of 17 posted 17 FEB by Kathy Strong's Del Cerro Garden
One of the problems that occurs when HMF reassigns a rose's classification to something more of HMF's liking is that for American rose shows, you must correctly exhibit a rose in its properly assigned class. This rose would be disqualified if exhibited in the "hybrid tea" class (which class is combined with grandifloras, but not floribundas over here). And since there is essentially a continuum of rose characteristics, with many roses "correct" class being quite debatable -- many, if not most, roses show some characteristics of one class and other characteristics in another -- the default position, in my opinion, has to be the one which the entity selling the rose has chosen. If HMF must reassign roses to some other class than the seller has assigned to it, at the very least there should be a notification that it has done so on the homepage for that rose.
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Reply #13 of 17 posted 17 FEB by Andrew from Dolton
I can understand it must be very frustrating. If as Patricia states "The breeder themselves list it as "Grandes fleurs"", this must indicate what type the rose is. I am ashamed to say that my French beyond what I can do on translating websites is very little. What is the French for Floribunda, Grandiflora and Hybrid-Tea? If the rose is classed as a Grandiflora then, under your system, it must be classed with the Hybrid-Teas. Even though it is very clear from its linage that it is definitely a Floribunda. And its growth is very like a Hybrid-Tea.
I am way over my depth here!
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Reply #15 of 17 posted 17 FEB by Marlorena
Mons. Orard also calls it a Hybrid Tea. This is from his website..

Souvent appelés Hybrides de Thé, ces rosiers sont le plus souvent uniflores (une fleur par tige)et poussent à environ 1.00 m de hauteur.

Often called Tea Hybrids, these roses are most often uniflorus (one flower per stem)
and grow to about 1.00 m in height.

Grande Fleurs = Hybrid Tea...
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Reply #16 of 17 posted 17 FEB by Robert Neil Rippetoe
I just made an inquiry to the grower. We'll get to the bottom of this.
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Reply #17 of 17 posted 12 OCT by Andrew from Dolton
Hello Robert,

Did you ever get a response from the grower as to how this rose should be classified?

Regards, Andrew.
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Reply #14 of 17 posted 17 FEB by Robert Neil Rippetoe
I'm going to chime in here. I agree with Kathy.

All references have traditionally adhered to the official classification made by the breeder and the recording body.

In my opinion HMF and it's users would be best served by following suit.

Any opinions expressed by growers can be shared in the comments section.

Classification of roses is a messy business and one that no doubt will continue to evolve over time.

Best wishes, Robert
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