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Initial post 29 SEP 16 by NikosR
I believe the bush form of Paul Lede is extinct (or at least not available in commerce as such) and most probably all photos displayed under this entry should be under cl. Paul Lede. I know for a fact that Oldrosarian's photo of Paul Lede is of the climbing form (from discussions in Gardenweb) and this form has been reintroduced in commerce recently as Mons. Paul Lede by Palantine in Canada from budwood supplied by her. In Europe cl. Paul Lede has been available for long also as Paul Lede.
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Reply #1 of 9 posted 3 OCT 16 by Patricia Routley
Interesting. It is fairly easy to prove that a rose is a climber. But a little harder to prove that the little squirt is the original bush for it could be the climber growing in unsuitable conditions. Perhaps comments from others -and the HMF photographers on the height of their bushes might help. I'll send the photographers a private message - there is only four.

To add a little weight to your theory, I note that the same photo has been used for both the climber and bush on the ARS MR site.
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Reply #2 of 9 posted 3 OCT 16 by NikosR
Please check out this thread http://forums2.gardenweb.com/discussions/4171313/palatine-has-my-all-time-fav-climber?n=14 where Old Rosarian (Lynette) discusses her rose.
There's no bush form of Paul Lede under that name in commerce in Europe nor in Australia afaik and I don't believe there's in N. America either. Confusion might stem from this fact since nurseries do not find it necessary to differentiate.
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Reply #3 of 9 posted 3 OCT 16 by NikosR
Also please check out this older thread where morrisnoor (Maurizio Usai), a world renown and respected landscape architect and rosarian from Sardinia, Italy mentions that he believes the bush form is extinct.
http://forums.gardenweb.com/discussions/1713074/paul-lede
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Reply #4 of 9 posted 3 OCT 16 by Patricia Routley
NikosR, I am sure you are right. I've been gleaning from the books and will add references.
Later edit. Because of your comments, NikosR; the square brackets in the 2001 reference; and the 1965 reference, I have marked this 1902 hybrid tea "believed extinct or lost". I have also moved all photos into the climber file. Anyone who disagrees is most welcome to move them back as that would signify this original bush form might not be extinct.
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Reply #5 of 9 posted 7 OCT 16 by Hartwood
Paul Lede was definitely a climber in my garden. I got it from Roses Unlimited in 2007. After putting on size and having a few wonderful years of bloom, it was damaged by severe winter cold three years ago and it never recovered. RIP.
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Reply #6 of 9 posted 7 OCT 16 by Patricia Routley
Thanks Hartwood. That justifies moving your photo out of the bush and into the climber.
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Reply #7 of 9 posted 12 OCT 16 by Patricia Routley
I have received the following private message from member Alex.m in Austria:

Mine is the original bushform-the height is 70-90cm.
I got it from Eva Kotzmuth the former owner of Giovannis Garden and she maybe got it from Sangerhausen or Martin Weingart.
Giovannis Garden had a huge varitey of very rare roses ( I'm very happy to get many from them)- unfortunatly it dosent exist anymore.
......I know its the last :-( Eva Kotzmuth gave it to me because she know that I will take good care of it. Unfortunatly its a very delicate plant - it dosen´t bloom this year and is a very slow grower. I will talk to a friend of mine who is the owner of a rose nursery in the near (Baumschule Ecker) maybe he will propagate i
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Reply #8 of 9 posted 13 OCT 16 by NikosR
That's very interesting! It would be good to know if Alex.m's delicate bush is budded or bare root. Maybe it would benefit from a climate milder than Austria's.
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Reply #9 of 9 posted 18 NOV 16 by alex.m.
hi,
Usually even delicate chinas like the climate in my garden, but this fellow has special needs and is very easily offended ;-) .
Next season I will try to propagate it with cuttings.
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most recent 30 OCT 16 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 30 OCT 16 by Hartwood
I agree with the member who posted this photo, that this rose is not 'Bess Lovett'.
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most recent 9 JUN 16 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 26 MAY 14 by Patricia Routley
Is the foliage on the left that of 'Gardenia'?
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 9 JUN 16 by Hartwood
Looks like Wisteria foliage.
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most recent 11 JUN 15 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 7 JUN 15 by dxk0021
You have a Louis Lens "Twins" rose listed on Help Me Find -- we used to have one of these and have never been able to find one again -- If possible, would love to arrange to get a cutting from you if you have a healthy plant.

Please let me know -- we live in Houston and can make all the arrangements (pay for the trouble, shipping & handling, etc.) -- thanks!
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 8 JUN 15 by Hartwood
I had Twins at one time, but not anymore. Sorry. (Now I have to go update this on my list ... and I just recently updated the whole thing ... I guess I missed this.)
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 11 JUN 15 by dxk0021
Thanks anyway --
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