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9 OCT 11 by
JC
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By my experience as an amateur hybridizer, it's a mistake to think that the rose seedlings should be selected by the first flowering. The first bloom of a rose seedling is almost always a messy draft. Only in the second or third flowering (under good growing conditions) the plant shows its true characteristics. I'm glad you had the sense to give it a second chance. ; )
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This is true, to a point. However, when you have raised enough seedlings you also get a feel for how they will continue to improve over time and judgements can often be made based on flower form, colour, and habit early in the selection process. To be honest, however, floral traits are really secondary to others such as disease resistance, good architecture, own root vigour, and ease of propagation. If one bases their selection entirely on floristic traits, then I'm afraid they are missing the point entirely, and we will continue to get more of what we already have. The reason I kept this one is that over the last 8-9 years I have raised up to 3000 seedlings in some years and I have seen thousands of first flowers and some I know will never amount to anything and others, like this one, pique my interest because the flower looks like it has been damaged in some way and so it may not necessarily be a good indication of what it might ultimately end up looking like. Add to this better than average foliage, excellent own-root vigour, and pleasing architecture, and you have enough grounds for reasonable doubt ;)
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11 JUL 11 by
JC
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Updating my previous comments, it's a striking rose which forms a very small shrub, suitable for pots, patios and borders. But it's very susceptible to blackspot and can defoliate completely without regular spraying. It has a lovely mild (NOT strong) apple scent. The flowers aren't very durable, but they are really worth the effort. Produces viable pollen and seeds.
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The original name, Regensberg, is from a tiny medieval village on a mountain top near where I live, in Switzerland, in the northern part of Zurich. This place was earlier very know for its many rose gardens. However, there are not so many left, even though the climate would be great - it's also a place where they produce wine.
If you are visiting this region, it's worth a detour, as there is the only round medieval tower in the whole area, very uncommon for Switzerland. From this place you have a great view and you can see landing many airplanes in Zurich Intl. Airport.
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#1 of 1 posted
11 JUL 11 by
JC
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That lovely story, thanks for sharing!
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12 FEB 05 by
Unregistered Guest
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What are the distinguishing characteristics which identify this rose, "Schwarze Madonna", from Tantau's rose "Black Lady"? I have actually picked up a nursery rose list which said "Black Madonna" and when I asked them which of the two roses it was, they didn't know. The photos on the page for "Black Lady" seem to show glossy foliage; is SM's foliage glossy?
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This was a fun research project for me today. HelpMeFind has greatly enhanced the search function on the site so that we can do these kinds of comparisons. Of course, we are still in the process of entering information into the data fields, so it will be a while before the feature is fully activated.
I have updated the rose pages for 'Black Lady' and 'Schwarze Madonna' for all of the information I have been able to find today.
There are four primary differences between these roses:
1. 'Black Lady' has a short-to-medium bushy growth habit, while 'Schwaze Madonna' has been reported to be both low growing and tall, but also has a bushy growth habit.
2. 'Black Lady' is reported to be strongly frangrant while 'Schwarze Madonna' has a mild or light fragrance.
3. 'Black Lady' has matte foliage while 'Schwarze Madonna' has glossy foliage.
4. While both roses are listed as "double" (17-25 petals), 'Schwarze Madonna' is generally described as being "very double".
Re: Your reference to 'Black Madonna' --- This name is also used for 'Schwarze Madonna'.
The parentage of both roses was not disclosed by the breeders.
I hope this helps.
Smiles,
Lyn
helpmefind.com
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#2 of 3 posted
10 JAN 07 by
JC
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Wow Lyn, excellent investigative work! A truly "Rose Detective"! hee
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#3 of 3 posted
9 FEB 07 by
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Thank you for your superb answer to my original question. I just planted Schwarze Madonna today and now await to observe both bushes when they grow and bloom this summer - that is, if the Black Lady is correctly labeled from it's source;-)
Maryann
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