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Initial post 3 JUN 08 by kernalchick
Can anyone tell me about the disease resistance of this rose? It will have to endure partial shade and I've been told by some nurserys that it would be fine. The second question is would this work for a pillar? Thanks for your help.
Reply #1 of 5 posted 5 JUN 08 by Lyn G
You can look up "hybrid musks" in our GLOSSARY and find out more about this class of roses.

Reply #2 of 5 posted 12 SEP 08 by Carlene
I have mine growing in mostly shade in a pot - absolutely no disease. Drought tolerant in a pot. Blooms more of course when it gets sufficient water. Tough little rose.
Reply #4 of 5 posted 13 SEP 08 by jedmar
Ours has lost almost all foliage to blackspot!
Reply #3 of 5 posted 12 SEP 08 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
It will mildew a bit when conditions are at their worst.
Reply #5 of 5 posted 4 days ago by Gdisaz10
Blackspot in the summer in my hot , humid climate.
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Initial post 14 days ago by Patricia Routley
I note that HelpMeFind is showing this breeder's codes as with, and without the space. i.e.
AM 965
AM 979

I believe they should be consistent, but a private message to the breeder has brought no reply. Does anybody know what they should be?
Space or no space?
Reply #1 of 4 posted 13 days ago by jedmar
Hi Patricia,

I know, the references are inconsistent. It seems to depend on who is publishing (World Rose Organisation or others). You might ask Matthias Meilland - he usually answers.

Best regards
Reply #2 of 4 posted 13 days ago by Patricia Routley
I did - April 3. He must be really busy.
Reply #3 of 4 posted 13 days ago by jedmar
It probably doesn't matter. Most of them are without space. I would rtake out the space from the rest.
Reply #4 of 4 posted 13 days ago by Patricia Routley
And now I note that Michèle Meilland Richardier lists all hers with the space.
Oh well, at least they are all consistently shown: Alain with, and Michele without.
Thanks Behcet.
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Initial post 4 APR by Maradia
Available from - Baumschule Horstmann GmbH & Co. KG
Reply #1 of 1 posted 5 APR by jedmar
Auf der Webseite von Horstmann ist 'Schleswig 87' nicht aufgeführt. Haben Sie es in einem Katalog oder in der Baumschule selbst gesehen?
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Initial post 27 AUG by Michael Garhart
Isn't there another Nastrana listing? But different roses, with similar or same "species" name?? Confused.
Reply #1 of 4 posted 27 AUG by jedmar
Yes, I know it is confusing, but 'Nastarana' in commerce is not the same as the rose which Christ called var. nastarana (=R. pissardii). See the note on this listing.
Reply #2 of 4 posted 2 APR by CybeRose
And it gets worse. Pissard stated that the Rosa pissardii was native to Guiland. Recht is in Guiland.

A Collection of Late Voyages and Travels, by Robert Heron (1797)
"Guiland, bordering on the Caspian Sea, would be a very agreeable country, if the unwholesome waters stagnating in its vallies did not occasion frequent epidemic distempers among its inhabitants. They cultivate rice with successful industry; and this grain constitutes almost their sole nourishment. Adiat Khan is the present ruler of Guiland. He resides at Recht, a town considerably populous, the environs of which abound in mulberry trees, and afford the finest silk in Persia."

Which brings us to the 'Rose de Resht'. Miss Nancy Lindsay claimed to have brought back from Iran: "N.L. 849. Happened on it in an old Persian garden in ancient Resht, tribute of the tea caravans plodding Persia-wards from China over the Central Asian steppes; it is a sturdy, yard high bush of glazed lizard-green, perpetually emblazoned with full camellia flowers of pigeon's blood ruby, irised with royal-purple, haloed with dragon sepals like the painted blooms on oriental faience."

This is even more distinct from Pissard's rose than the little RICA "Nastarana".
Reply #3 of 4 posted 3 APR by jedmar
I think she is speaking about 'Rose de Rescht', a purple-red Portland rose, she claimed she found in Rescht. Her language is clearly not a botanist's. Was she trying to set herself apart from her mother Norah Lindsay, a garden designer famous in her time?
Reply #4 of 4 posted 3 APR by CybeRose
Dr. Christ (1887) previously described "Nastarana" = "Rose de Rescht", but his was apparently a climber (20 feet) with solitary, small, double, red flowers. I think Miss Lindsay confused her Portland with Christ's rose.

Curiously, Christ cited the 'Manetti' (allegedly Rosa moschata x sempervirens) that Haussknecht collected in Greece, which bore dense flat corymbs of rose-red (rosenroth) flowers.
Rosae Orientalis, pp. 31-32 (1887)
Hermann Christ
Rosa moschata ...
ß. Nastarana. — Differt foliolis minoribus densissime et acute serratis glaucis glabris, petiolis parum pubescentibus eminentius glandulosis, turionibus hornotinis ex axillis foliorum flores solitarios creberrimos emittentibus.

Hab. in Persiae prov. Khorassan inter Meschhed et Herat (Bge.) et in hortis culta ad Kirmanschah Persiae occid., arbor 20’ alta, Persis Nastaran dicta (sec. Haussk.) et ad Bebehan Persiae austr. (Haussk., f. eadem, sed laevissima, foliolis majoribus minusque serratis, flore minuto purpureo pleno) incolis Gul e Reschti (Rose de Rescht) dicta.

Obs. Haussknecht a. 1885 ex horto Atheniensi hybridam insignem, verosimiliter R. moschato X sempervirentem retulit.
Symbolae ad floram graecam: Aufzählung der im Sommer 1885 in Griechenland gesammelten Pflanzen. p. 100 (1893)
(List of plants collected in Greece in the summer of 1885.)
Carl Haussknecht

R. moschata x sempervirens Chr. in Suppl. fl. or. 230, R. Manetti Hort. sec. Crépin in hortis Athen. culta. — Bildet lange ruthenförmige Zweige, die reichlich mit dichten flachen Corymben besetzt sind; Blüthen rosenroth, auf langen reichdrüsigen Stielen; Scheinfrüchte fast kugelig, wenig drüsig; Kelchzipfel lang zugespitzt, abstehend, später zurückgeschlagen, meist einfach, nur einzeln mit Seitenzipfeln; Blättchen kurz und einfach gezähnt, kahl.
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