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Michael Garhart
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Initial post 7 days ago by Michael Garhart
"The inventor created a new cultivar of Hybrid Rugosa rose ‘BOC rogosnif’ designated as seedling No. CB-9505. From a planned breeding program, the cultivar was selected among seedlings derived from a cross made in Burnsville, Minn., U.S.A., in 1995. The cross was made between a Hybrid Rugosa seedling of the inventor's ‘BOC germ’ as the female parent and a miniature rose seedling of the inventor ‘BOC eye’ as the male parent. In 1997, the inventor identified ‘BOC rogosnif’ as a novel rose cultivar."

-US PP 22570
Reply #1 of 2 posted 7 days ago by Patricia Routley
Thank you Michael. Parentage added.
Reply #2 of 2 posted 7 days ago by Michael Garhart
Sad to learn he passed :[
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Initial post 11 MAR 14 by Michael Garhart
Looking at the lineage, it obviously has a lot of stated tea parents in the lines. From the parent with unknown lines, I would hazard a guess that it descends from tea, pernetiana, and canina.

This looks like a really overlooked rose. I am curious about the ploidy of it.
Reply #1 of 3 posted 11 MAR 14 by Rupert, Kim L.
It's a great rose for many SoCal climates, Michael. Under extreme conditions, it can rust, but provided the minimum it needs, the thing flowers and grows freely. Take a look at Louise Ave here on HMF. It is a local found rose several of us feel may actually be Snowbird. I've grown Snowbird for years as sort of an honorarium to R. Marion Hatton. He was well loved in the ARS and his rose is very good.
Reply #2 of 3 posted 11 MAR 14 by Michael Garhart
It looks like the same rose to me. They have the same spray pattern, which seems unusual for the class.

There are about 5-10 older HTs that I really think are stellar, like this one. But now they are so out of reach from being sold, and some are from Oz, too, which complicates their availability.
Reply #3 of 3 posted 10 days ago by lbuzzell
Thanks to Consulting Rosarian Holly Hagy, we are planting a 'Snowbird' in the Marion Woodman Spiral Rose Garden on the Ladera campus of Pacifica Graduate Institute in Santa Barbara in January 2019 to honor Marion's passing. She was a Canadian Jungian analyst, author and ecofeminist, so we hope this rose will be a fitting reminder to all of her work. Opus Archives, on the Pacifica campus, preserves Marion's papers.
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Initial post 11 days ago by Michael Garhart
Bullnoses and stipples? Peter Mayle and its kin bullnoses and Prairie Princess and its kin can pass on stipples.
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Initial post 30 DEC 15 by Michael Garhart
There are so many of these older dark red HTs, but this one looks cool!

Instead of focusing on the flowers to ID it, I focused on what could have produced foliage like this. There are many damask red HT lines from yesteryear. Most of them have rather funky foliage, but this one seems to have unusual leaves for damask reds. So looking at what could have produced this seemed like a better idea. I currently considering the Charles Mallerin lines, which can get that rather ovoid foliage type. Still unsure!
Reply #1 of 8 posted 30 DEC 15 by Patricia Routley
I thoroughly agree with looking beyond the bloom shots.
Funky foliage? I’ve seen roundish leaves in the oldies. My ?'Charles Mallerin' doesn’t seem to have leaves that are so serrated as in the photos. Probably the way to eliminate this one is to look at the bush as a whole. Does it make basals freely - CM doesn’t. Are they lopsided - as CM can be. But the photos certainly show the almost touchable velvet and a bloom is showing glimpses of the yellow stamens as I have seen in my ?‘Charles Mallerin’. More photos of the pedicel, showing any glands, and the armature on the canes might help.
Reply #2 of 8 posted 30 DEC 15 by Michael Garhart
Oh, sorry. I didnt mean CM itself. I intended to mean the roses that came after it, as opposed to, for example, something bred beyond Etoile de Holland.
Reply #3 of 8 posted 31 DEC 15 by Deborah Petersen
I've posted a photo of a pedicel and a few other photos of details (such as they are, this being winter here), with photos of prickles arriving tomorrow, with luck. It is moderately armed, I would say -- not so heavily armed as to strike terror as one approaches, but a smattering of medium-size prickles. The bush produces basals, but hard to gauge relative productivity, given how young it is.
Reply #4 of 8 posted 31 DEC 15 by Michael Garhart
It looks good for an older red.
Reply #5 of 8 posted 31 DEC 15 by Deborah Petersen
So far it's been a good bloomer (regular flushes, quick turnaround) and healthy bush.
Reply #6 of 8 posted 31 DEC 15 by Patricia Routley
Excellent and clear photos Deborah.
Because of the green wood on my bush and the original bush - and the red wood on your bush;
and the regular flushes and quick turnaround - against my once in a blue moon when it pleases, I believe your rose is not the same as mine and therefore possibly not (my rose is a foundling), 'Charles Mallerin'.
I have added the various characteristics on the rose to the main page Notes.
Reply #7 of 8 posted 13 days ago by CybeRose
I think it is noteworthy that the leaves are often gray-green, like the picture I added from October 8, 2006 - San Jose Heritage
Reply #8 of 8 posted 12 days ago by Patricia Routley
Thank you Karl. I have added gray-green foliage. The characteristic of red wood is so identifiable. That will be red new wood I think, that I want to ask others to go out and check all their old hybrid teas. For some reason, the “San Leandro Dark Red HT” seems so familiar and fascinates me. Does anyone know Mrs. Madeiros to ask her what decade she can pin it back to?
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