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Initial post 26 AUG 06 by jared
Just planted two of theese, I love the color but they seem to be very slow growing, one came out bare root and I have nursed it back it only has two blooms with no new growth, should I prune hard, fertilize? It get plent of water and at least 6 hours of sun, socal. Any ideas to get this to perform?
Thanks in advance.
J.
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Reply #1 of 9 posted 26 AUG 06 by RoseBlush

J.........


You just planted it?  There's no need to push it.  In fact, if you are worried about it establishing itself, you might not allow it to bloom at all in the first year.  This allows the plant to put all of its energy into root-growth and plant growth.  If you have just planted it, water it every day and do not feed it until it shows new top growth.  That gives the plant a chance to establish feeder roots and get settled into its new home.


After you see the new top growth, you can go ahead and feed it as usual and water as needed.  If you live in an area where winter protection is required or might be a good idea, protect the plant during its first year.


It sounds like you have a pretty good idea about how to grow roses, so if you have a healthy plant to start with, you should end up with a good rose for your garden.


Smiles,


Lyn, helpmefind.com

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Reply #4 of 9 posted 12 JUN 17 by mamabotanica
Hi Lyn, I'm in hot Pasadena CA (zone 10b) and have a bunch of roses I planted from March of this year onward (a couple just last week and about six more to arrive when the order goes through). Do you recommend that roses in their first year of being planted get blooms snipped to help them establish? I know I did that with my blueberries and strawberries. Is it true of roses? it seems that the ones I'm getting soon and ones I recently planted should be put off blooming until after the heat of summer? What would you do?
I'm new to this.
Thanks,
Joan
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Reply #5 of 9 posted 13 JUN 17 by Margaret Furness
Lyn's been quiet for a while.
I'm in a zone 9b, and we recommend that young own-root roses have most of the flower buds removed in the first summer, or in a drought. Budded plants are usually older, so it's less important, but removing some flower buds will help them divert their energy into growing roots and leaves. As with your blueberries. It's well into summer where you are, so anything you plant will need plenty of looking after, as Lyn suggests. 2-3 sheets of wet newspaper on the ground (to help suppress weeds), then about 4" depth of mulch on top of them (not touching the stem of the rose) makes a difference.
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Reply #7 of 9 posted 13 JUN 17 by mamabotanica
Thanks!
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Reply #6 of 9 posted 13 JUN 17 by Kim Rupert
Mamabotanica, I agree with Margaret, but would add, IF the rose appears to be struggling or taking longer than you deem appropriate, disbud it. Prevent it from flowering and it should respond by growing faster. Some roses won't do both simultaneously. Others seem to not care, pushing both flowers and growth without issue. Some types are very in need of disbudding, while others are not. Think own root Teas, Tea-Noisettes, weaker growing moderns...they may, eventually develop into great plants but definitely take their own sweet time doing so. That time can definitely be shortened by not allowing the plant to flower. But, if the plant appears to not be having any issues developing into what you expect it to be, disbudding is not required. If you WANT to disbud, do it. It will not hurt any rose to prevent it from flowering.
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Reply #8 of 9 posted 13 JUN 17 by mamabotanica
Many thanks! That makes sense to me. I got my first roses this September as 4" pots - Golden Celebration is still tiny and growing very slowly but Cornelia Hybrid Musk is climbing up the pergola and making some beautiful blooms already. I'll make sure Golden Celebration doesn't flower until it gets bigger and will keep a close eye on the hybrid tea own root plants that I hope to get from Roses Unlimited at some point.
Roses are such other worldly plants! They have such a rich history and there is SO MUCH to know about them (like all the different ways to prune different varieties). I'm a serious plant person and I'm intimidated. It feels like newbies can screw up so badly and spend loads of money on plants that end up as sad sick things or octopus armed monsters that will take over the garden. I guess if I keep focusing on building good soil like I do with my other beds I should be mostly okay. and deep watering to get the roots down!
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Reply #9 of 9 posted 13 JUN 17 by Kim Rupert
Definitely build the soil as that's the key to most gardening, no matter what kind of plant. Please don't let them intimidate you. They are NOT that difficult. They will "tell you" what they want by how they grow. I'm sure you already know how to read other plants, and roses are the same. You just need to learn their language and "conjugation". As for "octopus arms", if a rose is advertised as making a decent climber, expect the arms. A rose which makes a "manageable shrub" in the British, or even Northern US climates, will generally explode when let loose in the warmer Southern California areas. Many roses will tend to be larger here than they are advertised over seas. I used to joke that McGredy floribundas were usually "suitable for pegging" as they often grew like Hybrid Perpetuals...octopus arms which provided many flowering laterals when trained like climbers. Quite a few British floribundas of the seventies and eighties performed similarly. You're fortunate to live in SoCal. Unless you're spending money on the once-flowering, old European Garden Roses, there are few roses you won't be happy with. Between not really receiving enough chill hours and getting far too many high heat hours which counter acts the chill hours, many of those types won't flower, actually grow backwards each year and/or never really perform as well as they do where they are better suited. Most others will probably give you an acceptable level of performance to make you happy.
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Reply #2 of 9 posted 28 AUG 06 by Wendy C

By 'just planted' do you mean this Spring? or in the last couple of weeks?


The heat most everyone has experienced this year has slowed down the roses. VooDoo is a vigorous grower, give it a chance to recover from the high Summer temps. If it was planted in the Spring I would feed them now, and see if the cooler temps of September don't improve their performance.


Good Luck

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Reply #3 of 9 posted 28 AUG 06 by RoseBlush

Wendy.........


It's still in the 90s here.  I am waiting until the daily temps drop to the 80s before I start feeding the roses again.  Sure has been a long, hot summer.


Smiles,


Lyn, helpmefind.com


 


 


 

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most recent 17 NOV 06 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 26 AUG 06 by jared
I'm thinking of planting a don juan next to a tree, will it clib up and around the tree?
Thanks in advance.
J.
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 28 AUG 06 by Wendy C

In most cases, unless it's a tree stump (dead), trees are too much competition for roses. Roses planted too close to growing trees normally will really struggle.


It would be wonderful if climbing roses did well around trees though. Virginia Creeper and Trumpet Vines do well at the base of trees here.

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Reply #2 of 2 posted 17 NOV 06 by thegoldens2005
There are much more vigorous roses for climbing trees, like mermaid or lady banks.  Don Juan is not a very rampant climber.  I do have a Don Juan growing through a Little Gem Magnolia.  It has threaded it's way up & over the top of the tree where it blooms in full sun, 15' apx.   There is an occasional branch that blooms from the midst of the magnolia.   The bloom stems are erect & can best be seen from above, in this case from the roof of the house, where I seldom find myself.   I have another Don Juan that is climbing along side a staircase to a high porch where it is much more easily enjoyed.
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