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This is a request to use the photo by Murphy's Rose of 'Souvenir d'Elise Vardon' dated Feb 23. I would be using it as a slide for a presentation/talk I will be giving on the history of roses.
Darrell Schramm
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I don't think it is the temperature. Has been 100+ a couple of days this month, then in the 80s and 90s. Just a fluke, I guess.
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I am fascinated by this plant. thank you for sharing the photos.
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#1 of 11 posted
25 FEB 12 by
Tessie
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You're welcome!
Just fyi, but you might be able to grow this rose....;) It doesn't like too much water. In fact, those in areas of high rainfall have trouble keeping it alive. Can survive months with no water at all in high heat. It is doing wonderfully in my garden. Not a greedy eater either ( I give mine only a little weak solution of fish emulsion and no other food--I suspect overly generous feeding would not be to its liking). I have become completely enamored of it and now have 5! Probably will be 6 by the end of the day. The foliage has such an interesting texture and it blends so beautifully with other perennials that I'm thinking of adding it all over the place. Plus it repeat blooms and blooms and blooms. HMF couldn't be more wrong about the once-blooming. I wonder where they got such inaccurate info.
I was in the RSABG's Grow Native Nursery the other day, and they had this rose in stock. Since I live nearby and just pop in to buy stuff there, I don't know if they ship. But both the garden itself and nursery are on HMF if you wish to contact them.
Melissa
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Thanks for the information. This sounds like such an interesting rose. And tough. Roses gotta be cowboys to make it here in Texas.
I am going to contact RSABG GNN. Not too hopeful, especially with the agriculture restrictions to and from CA.
I envy your proximity to all those interesting, diverse rose nurseries. Here, Knock Out and all his sisters are about all you can lay your hands on (I don't count the body bag roses from Wal-mart).
Jill
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I don't know that Minutifolia would make it in Texas. Though it is a xerophyte, it isn't a "desert" plant. It's a native of the Coastal Scrub Community, which relies upon fog to provide much of its moisture. The dense, fine hair covering of the rose (and many of its neighbors) function to trap moisture from the coastal fogs. When I've grown Minutifolia in high heat, it's benefited greatly from afternoon shade from other plants. Leaving it out in the direct, hot sun without the benefit of fogs, it goes into heat shut down mode, becoming dormant, dead looking, until it receives the moisture it needs to spring back to life.
These two pages may help.
http://ucjeps.berkeley.edu/ina/roses/rosa_minutifolia.html
http://www.californiacoastalrose.com/rosa_minutifolia.html
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#4 of 11 posted
12 MAR 12 by
Tessie
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Well, no Claremont isn't exactly coastal. It's in the Inland Empire. Climate here is mediterranean with cool winters and very hot, dry summers (with weeks of over 100 and sometimes over 110 temps). Basically if it isn't raining the air is bone dry. Rainfall is low. Fog isn't common. And yet the Rancho Santa Ana Botanic Garden has been growing R. minutifolia for many years, I think probably more than 50, quite successfully. R. minutifolia is thriving at RSABG. The plants you commented on Kim, the ones producing so many flowers and hips, are situated in full sun. RSABG allows these very same plants to go dormant in summer. They look like piles of dead sticks! When we get rains they quickly green up and start blooming. They are also spreading quite happily. There are multiple sites at RSABG on which R. minutifolia grows, and the ones in the most sun are the ones that seem to bloom more often and abundantly and which produce more hips.
Melissa
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I understand Melissa. I can only comment on how various plants performed for me in Newhall (91321) and how four of them perform for me here in Encino (91316) on the western facing hillside on the edge of the Santa Monica State Park. In both gardens, I found them to be very happy in nursery cans of traditional potting soil, exactly the same type I had the rest of the roses planted in, watered at the same intervals (when needed). I believe because the soil and cans drained very well. The in-ground plants did well as long as they received morning sun with shade from lilacs and larger roses during the worst of the sun and heat. The canned ones were placed so the tops of the plants received sun, but the soil balls were kept cooler by being shaded by other cans and plants.
With regular watering and very good drainage, they remained green year round, and like Stellata mirifica, they continued flowering from spring through fall, permitting me to continue unsuccessfully using them for pollen.
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Hi Kim. We aren't so much desert here. Now last summer was horrible. But this is not the norm. We have more of a Mediterrian climate. And with the shade I am constructing, they well have some protection from the sun.
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Add excellent drainage and don't spray the foliage with anything other than water, and it just might work! How cold do your worst nights get? I don't think it will appreciate very deep freezes, though it withstood some major frosts in Newhall when protected by other plants around it and much lower spots where the cold could pool away from it.
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Oh drats, it gets too cold here for this little rose. It says hardiness only z9. Oh well. It is a beautiful rose anyway.
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#9 of 11 posted
13 MAR 12 by
Tessie
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Not to worry Jill. Check this out (label indicates hardy to 15 degrees):
http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.186411
Our zone changed with the new USDA map to 9b, but the RSABG was in zone 8b and this little rose has thrived there for years. Now in one of the beds where a whopping sized one is growing, they still have covered some of the other plants from Baja to protect them from freezes (yep we do get 'em here). I've never seen any of the R. minutifolia's covered. I was there on Saturday, and I think I have some shots of that particular Baja community.
Melissa
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well, I know I will have to add this one to the "have-to-have" list. And this list is not short...
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#11 of 11 posted
10 APR 12 by
Tessie
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Just an update for you Jill--and Kim too! I'm a little tardy in posting this, but I'd been watching the R. minutifolia that I bought at RSABG and grown by Suncrest (see the label I posted for info) for months and comparing them to the R. minutifolia growing in the plant communities at RSABG. It seemed to me the plants were not quite the same. So I wrote to Suncrest and asked the origin of their plants--Baja California like the mature plants at RSABG or San Diego--as well as did they set hips. The answer was they got their plant material from Tree of Life nursery and their R. minutifolia do not set hips. So, naturally I wanted some of the Baja sourced roses (not all the same Baja ones at RSABG) that set hips and thought others would too. I asked RSABG to please propagate certain specific R. minutifolia in their collection, plants in their garden that I liked especially. And they are doing so! Multiple plants right now are being layered, both R. minutifolia 'Pure Bea' and some of the pink ones in the beds. They *might* be ready by May when the garden's Claremont nursery closes until fall. If not, there will be some available in the fall plant sale in November. So Kim the pink R. minutifolia that I have are the same as what you have. My white R. minutifolia 'Pure Bea' I'm about to plant today or tomorrow. I'm going to try to layer it, but I think RSABG knows what they are doing and will be successful, whereas who knows whether I will be.
Jill, let me know what RSABG says about shipping R. minutifolia to you. I did mention it to one of the propagators but she didn't know whether they could or not. If you ask, it may get the process/discussions of the possibility started, and perhaps even others will be able to get plants shipped. I will help if I can, and since the garden is so close I can pop by and ask about any progress.
Melissa
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This rose was found at Old North Cemetery in Hartford, Connecticut by a headstone marked Mary Lantry. If anyone has any information about this rose's identification, please contact me.
Andy Vanable
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Marci Martin, who found it, says it is extremely fragrant.
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#2 of 10 posted
11 MAR 12 by
 Cà Berta
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It remands me very much of Duc de Cambridge, an old damask by Laffay ..
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It does look like Duc de Cambridge
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Duc de Cambridge is darker and doesn't have the yellow button eye. This rose is about the size of a small mcintosh apple and is a one time bloomer.
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What about Désirée Parmentier?
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May be 'Aimable Amie'?
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The Old North Rose has a lot more petals and has a round form. Thanx, though!
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The color seems a lot darker, but it could be the lighting. I'll post more pix in June! Thank you!
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The photo is the same as Aimable Amy...too dark, but thank you.
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The photo is the same as Aimable Amy...too dark, but thank you.
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