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Michael Mitchell
most recent 30 OCT 11 SHOW ALL
Initial post 8 MAR 09 by Michael Mitchell
Not Birdie Blye
Reply #1 of 9 posted 8 MAR 09 by HMF Admin
Given the photo was taken by a very knowledgeable individual - can you be more specific on why you feel this photo is incorrect. It would be very helpful.

Thank you.
Reply #2 of 9 posted 9 MAR 09 by Michael Mitchell
I've been growing Birdie Blye for years and the color is way off. Unless I've gotten the wrong plants from two different sources my Birdie Blye's are a dark pink not medium to light pink. Also the amount of petals is not even close.....mine has 12-20 petals at the most. The picture shows roses with many more petals. I'm also noticing an extreme scalloping on the petals which mine does not have. The shape and color of the foliage is not quite right either......BB has elongated lighter green foliage. The other pics are what my BB looks like. Any description of BB belies these pics, and my personal experience of growing the plant tells me this is not BB. (again assuming my plants are BB, which, I'll admit may be a dangerous assumption :)
Reply #3 of 9 posted 9 MAR 09 by HMF Admin
Exactly what we're looking for, thank you. We'll see if we can get to the bottom of this. As you say, you can't be 100% sure you are growing Birdie Blye. Thanks again.
Reply #9 of 9 posted 30 OCT 11 by jedmar
According to recent comment by RainArths, 'Birdie Blye' in Sangerhausen is mislabeled and is in reality 'Albertine'.
Reply #4 of 9 posted 10 MAR 09 by Cass
Do you think that the obviously modern carmine pink rose pictured in the oldest two photos is Birdie Blye? The foliage doesn't look like hybrid multiflora and the blooms are an intense, bright color, not rose pink.
Reply #5 of 9 posted 10 MAR 09 by Michael Mitchell
Birdie Blye does look more modern than old. I remember thinking when I first started growing it that it looked more like a modern shrub than a turn of the 19th century bush. Mine is an intense bright pink color and the foliage is not that of a hybrid multiflora......well, indirectly maybe since it reminds me more of a polyantha on steroids.
Reply #6 of 9 posted 10 MAR 09 by jedmar
Cass, there is a reference from Helen Wilson from 1955 which seems to describe the Sangerhausen plant. Jäger's description from 1936, on the other hand, seems more in line with MR. Maybe the rose was mislabeled in Sangerhausen in between. Some early descriptions would be useful.
Reply #7 of 9 posted 10 MAR 09 by Cass
There is very little I can find. The note by Editor McFarland in the 1929 American Rose Annual may be instructive. It compares Birdie Blye to Hofgärtner Kalb.

Here is yet another prospect for Birdie Blye, photographed by a nursery in the American south. Four - 5 feet doesn't seem right. This seems to be the same rose sold by Pickering Nursery in Canada.

Here is the rose in the San Jose Heritage Rose Garden, provenance Ashdown Roses.
Reply #8 of 9 posted 10 MAR 09 by jedmar
Here is similar from Schultheis and Fechner:

but Weingart has the Sangerhausen type:
most recent 28 SEP 11 SHOW ALL
Initial post 1 MAY 10 by Michael Mitchell
I was shying away from this rose as I've had bad experience with la continually balled and never opened in my garden. I was convinced to give this rose a try and I've got to say it is magnificent in all ways. Vigorous, floriferous, color, fragrance, disease resistance......and no faults that I can see to this point. (2nd year) Highly recommend.
Reply #1 of 3 posted 2 MAY 10 by HMF Admin
You posts are very much appreciated.
Reply #2 of 3 posted 16 JAN 11 by York Rose
Michael do you use any pesticides on your roses? If you do, what do you suspect would happen with Mystic Beauty if you did not spray it to prevent black spot infection?

I've only ever grown one Bourbon (Mme. Pierre Oger) and it was a black spot utter disaster. If I understand correctly Bourbons don't have a good reputation for resisting black spot. (When it died one winter just a few years after I planted it I didn't replace it.)
Reply #3 of 3 posted 28 SEP 11 by BarbaraG SE Virginia
Very disease resistant here in coastal Virginia with no spray program.

Have had no balling problems either, much to my delight!
most recent 23 MAR 11 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 22 MAR 11 by anonymous-545753
Your photo of the Victorian Spice Rose is exquisite. Thank you for sharing.

Barbara Collins
Reply #1 of 1 posted 23 MAR 11 by Michael Mitchell
Thanks Barbara.........although I'd suggest the rose made the photographer look good.
most recent 20 DEC 10 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 18 DEC 10 by Barden, Paul
excellent photo, Michael. It looks better in your garden than it ever has in mine!
Reply #1 of 1 posted 20 DEC 10 by Michael Mitchell
Thanks. Keep up the good hybridizing work.
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