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Margaret Furness
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Initial post yesterday by Margaret Furness
Watch out for friends who are compulsive deadheaders... Fortunately since it's close to the ground, it may be relatively safe.
Reply #1 of 1 posted yesterday by HubertG
I'll be keeping a close eye on this one, Margaret. I'm more concerned with possums and anything else that nibbles to be honest.
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Initial post 2 days ago by Ozeboy
I have not used my nursery information for some time but want to have the ability to change initial details.

The Glenorie Roses site was set up by Margaret Furness on my behalf a few years ago and was closed due to Kangaroo and Wallaby damage. The property has now been securely fenced so would like to change the initial page rather than disturb Margaret.
Reply #1 of 4 posted 2 days ago by Margaret Furness
Welcome back! I can't delete the bit about wildlife now (or take the apostrophe out of Miniatures), so maybe it wasn't me who set it up. Can't remember back that far.
Reply #2 of 4 posted 2 days ago by Patricia Routley
Ozeboy, I have taken the "closed sign" off the hook and you should now be able to change any details. You might like to update the list of roses you have as well. Send me a Private Message if I can help in any way.
Reply #3 of 4 posted yesterday by Ozeboy
Hello Margaret, great to see you are still on HMF, presume you are well enough to continue the rose hobby.
Don't think we have corresponded since I sent you those 'Mrs BR Cant' sport's from Gary
That's one of the best Tea's I have ever had. Hope your's is doing well, definitely a keeper.

I am compiling an order for HT's, Floribunda's, Modern Climbers and Shrub buds to send to Ruston's. Let's hope they still have a few left. If you visit them over the next couple of months put a good word in for me please.

I let a lot of Heritage roses go as I wasn't fit enough to look after the property and have gone back to getting rid of everything that sticks up in the ground so I can run the mower over the lot to keep it tidy.

Regards, Bruce.
Reply #4 of 4 posted yesterday by Margaret Furness
I'm well but the D word (downsize) is looming. I gave Gary's Mrs B R Cant to Werribee, as the status of Ruston's was so uncertain. Best to check with Dianne at Ruston's now, whether they'll still be selling budwood.
I don't know if you'd caught up that Thomas for Roses isn't accepting orders for next winter; they hope to get back into things but the clock is ticking. They might be willing to sell you budwood.
Some semi-old climbers that most people won't know but are well worth growing are Marie Nabonnand, Indian Summer, Cl August Noack, Cl Mme Abel Chatenay. All in the HRAI Collection at Renmark.
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Initial post 23 MAR by Andrew from Dolton
Reply #1 of 12 posted 31 MAR by HubertG
Andrew, thank you. It really is a beautifully formed rose. That was a rainy day - bad for Alexander Hill Gray if it hasn't opened yet because it balls a bit, but good for the lighting for photography.
Reply #2 of 12 posted 31 MAR by Andrew from Dolton
I'm very envious of all these Tea roses that everyone in Australia seem to grow so well and I can only dream of.
Reply #3 of 12 posted 13 days ago by HubertG
Andrew, with the hot weather that you've had there this summer maybe you could try a few out for next year. :-)
Reply #4 of 12 posted 13 days ago by Andrew from Dolton
Yes HubertG it's certainly worth thinking about. I can grow 'Hume's Blush Tea-Scented China' reasonably well but it has to be grown against the house for extra warmth and covered with a big sheet of glass from November to April to keep the worst of the wet away. Its neighbour is what is being sold by Beales as 'Park's Yellow' but will probably turn out to be 'Fée Opale' and that has made masses of growths this year (mostly in the last four weeks) and looks very healthy. I've just ordered 'Louis VIX' which will need cosseting, but yes, if you can guarantee a few more summers like this year then I'll certainly be up for trying some teas. 'Sanguinea' and 'Archduke Charles' grow and flower after a fashion but are very weak.
Reply #5 of 12 posted 13 days ago by HubertG
I was just reading in the old Rosen-Zeitung which teas survived well through German winters. Mme Lombard was one, and Dr. Grill. I'll try to find it again and post it. I do remember them saying Francis Dubreuil suffered badly, and Maman Cochet had little damage. I think a lot of the Teas are cold hardier than often thought.
Reply #6 of 12 posted 13 days ago by Andrew from Dolton
Thanks, that will be very interesting. 'White Maman Cochet' was one I had my eye on to grow in a pot against the house and 'Dr Grill' too as it is so historically important. The winters are not such a problem but the short cool damp summers are difficult. Last year we had precipitation in one form or another almost every day from the end of July until October.
Reply #7 of 12 posted 12 days ago by HubertG
From page 61, of the 1900 Rosen Zeitung. (not a direct translation):

These were killed off in a bad winter: Mme Eug. Verdier, Francis Dubreuil, Arch. Maria Immaculata, Perle des Jardins, Sunset, Franziska Kruger and Papa Gontier.

Suffering less were: Coquette de Lyon, Hon. Edith Gifford, Mlle Christine de Noue, Maman Cochet and Princesse de Sagan.

These faired well: Andre Schwartz, Baronne Henriette de Loew, Catherine Mermet, Comtesse de Frigneuse, Dr Grill, G. Nabonnand, Grace Darling, Mme Lombard, Princesse Alice de Monaco, Princesse de Bessarabe, Souvenir de Catherine Guillot, Luciole, The Queen, Frau Geheimrat von Boch, Principessa di Napoli, Prince Theodore Galitzine and The Sweet Little Queen.

I know a lot aren't available but thought I 'd mention them just in case you want to look into their pedigrees to find clues for other hardy teas.
I'd pick Mme Lombard, G. Nabonnand (or its sport Peace) for you and maybe Grace Darling and Souv, de Catherine Guillot if it's available there. I don't know that the British Dr Grill is correct. The Cochets do ball badly in rain which might be a problem - when they are good here they are very, very good, but when they are bad they are horrid. ;-)
Reply #8 of 12 posted 10 days ago by Andrew from Dolton
This is not a direction I want my garden going in! Rather than spending a lot of extra effort trying to grow plants from warmer climates, concentrate on plants that grow well in my conditions, gallica roses for example. I did however just try to order 'White Maman Cochet' from Beales but they've sold out so I ordered 'Nuits de Young' from Trevor White instead. I am very interested though by 'Gilbert Nabonnand' and 'Dr Grill', so very tempting...

Did you ever get any plants to grow from your 'White Maman Cochet' seed?
Reply #9 of 12 posted 10 days ago by HubertG
None of the 'White Maman Cochet' seeds have germinated yet, although I didn't plant all of them. In fact of all the different seeds I planted last winter only one has germinated so far.
Reply #10 of 12 posted 6 days ago by HubertG
Andrew, I just came across this and thought I'd mention it here. There's an article in the 1914 Journal des roses, (Feb1, p22) that lists some Teas and HT's that survived the freezing winter of 1913 in France. The two Teas currently on lists that survived back then were Safrano and Mme. Jules Gravereaux.
Safrano is only semi-double (if that) and should open in damp conditions. It's a very elegant rose.
Reply #11 of 12 posted 6 days ago by Andrew from Dolton
They are both well worth considering. Margaret's picture of 'Mme. Jules Gravereaux' looking good in "a cold wet spring" is particularly encouraging.
Reply #12 of 12 posted 6 days ago by Margaret Furness
"Cold wet" is relative. Renmark gets frosts but no snow, and doesn't get much rain. Mme Jules has been slow-growing compared with most of the Tea-Noisettes (I have it listed as HT-Noisette).
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Initial post 13 AUG by happymaryellen
I planted my new dawn in March 2016. It has grown like crazy! Last year in spring I got a full flush of blooms. This year I got a full flush blooms in spring. But it doesn’t seem to continue blooming. I am deadheading it, and doing so properly down to five leaves. I also have gotten a Normas amount of growth coming off of it, it’s extremely leggy. So the question I have is, is it too soon for me to expect to bloom all season long?
It is extremely healthy and happy and green, almost no disease, just a little bit of mildew lately. I live in Northern California I am in 100% full sun, and I’ve been fertilizing every three weeks with Max sea 16 1616 Any thoughts?
Reply #1 of 12 posted 14 AUG by Lavenderlace
I have only been getting a big spring flush also! I've had several people tell me that they might have reverted back to Dr. W. Van Fleet. But I have a total of 16 from two vendors so that seems like a lot to all revert back. I'm very curious to see if this fall will have any blooms from the second vendor's, which are younger.
Reply #2 of 12 posted 14 AUG by Andrew from Dolton
There is usually a good spring flush here then another scat of flower from August into September. This year was unusually hot and dry and so far there have been no second flush although it has put on plenty of new growth. Maybe extra watering could be the answer.
Reply #3 of 12 posted 14 AUG by Marlorena
Tell me about it.... my history with this perplexing rose here in England goes back 20 years... I bought 2 in the 1990's, the first grew 20 foot with no rebloom... I then bought a 2nd rose during September one year, from a garden centre, where it was in bloom, so I knew I had the repeat type, but in the garden it once again grew 20 foot and didn't repeat... 10 years ago I bought yet another for my current garden, from Peter Beales… no rebloom... I met the late Mr Beales a year or so before he died and told him about it, that all these ND's seem to revert to Dr Van Fleet when you plant them... he couldn't understand it and offered to replace my rose, but I gave up by then, and I'm now finished with New Dawn...

I can only hope you get some rebloom at some point.. I found it too frustrating...
Reply #4 of 12 posted 14 AUG by Andrew from Dolton
Isn't 'Dr. W. Van Fleet' larger flowering than 'New Dawn'? My plant is only 5 years old growing 4M up into a cut leaved elder tree. If they revert surely that would happen gradually, not the whole plant change at once?
Reply #6 of 12 posted 15 AUG by Marlorena
I wouldn't know about that Andrew, as far as I know, if it's a once bloomer it's Van Fleet but if it repeats it's New Dawn... If one buys it as New Dawn, and if it's to do with time or watering, then how many years do you have to wait before it gets into a rebloom cycle? that's what I would like to know... to be honest, I probably didn't go beyond 3 seasons with any of mine... I felt that was long enough, and I only deadheaded... let's see if Lavender Lace's roses rebloom this year...
Reply #7 of 12 posted 8 days ago by Lavenderlace
Everything rebloomed immediately after all the rain a month ago but not a single bud on the New Dawns. We can have blooms to early December though so will report back if anything changes.
Reply #10 of 12 posted 8 days ago by Marlorena
Thanks for keeping in touch about this.... I feel I'm shouting through a loud hailer, but if there's anyone in the world out there, who has a New Dawn that repeats... please sign in and tell us about it, because I'm dying to know ….

I'm going to check out a couple I know of in my local area, and see what they're doing...
Reply #11 of 12 posted 7 days ago by Margaret Furness
There are photos on the hmf file taken in September, October, November in the northern hemisphere; so their plants re-bloom. I donated mine elsewhere because it was so prickly, and I can't recall what it did. It's a survivor rose in our Mediterranean climate.
Reply #12 of 12 posted 7 days ago by Andrew from Dolton
Yes Margaret it's certainly tough, I moved a fair sized plant a few years ago and never cut it back at all, planted it to grow in an elder tree, it didn't turn a hair just kept on growing. I used to get flowers in September but haven't for the last few years.
Some of the northern hemisphere pictures have been posted in the winter months, some members might not have posted them at the actual time of flowering.
Reply #5 of 12 posted 15 AUG by Lavenderlace
My first ten grew to twenty feet extremely fast too, but has since slowed down. Andrew might have a good point about the extra watering as we are usually hot, humid, but quite dry. However, we just received seven inches of rain after our usual drought conditions. So hopefully that will be the push that it needs for a fall bloom!
Reply #8 of 12 posted 8 days ago by Andrew from Dolton
A plant growing in the village in a very dry position has put on hardly any growth and isn't re-flowering. My own 'New Dawn' put on a lot of new growth thanks to some irrigation during the hot dry summer, it shows no sign of re-flowering either. Others have had a good second flush, 'Rose de Rescht', 'Agnes', 'Jacques Cartier' and 'Quatre Saisons Blanc Mousseux' have all done well although 'Duchess of Portland' hasn't even tried. Others, Rosa cinnamomea Plena and the Dunwich Rosa are unexpectedly having another go.
Reply #9 of 12 posted 8 days ago by Lavenderlace
Sounds like you have lots of blooms today also Andrew! I should have mentioned that I do irrigate, so it wasn't like mine were totally neglected to begin with. Though I do think that New Dawn can certainly tolerate neglect! Blooming seems to be another matter.
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