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Margaret Furness
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Initial post 6 days ago by Dusan
Second rose for identification is: pink color, very nice fragrance, disease resistant, frost tolerant. Average diameter 3-4inch / 7-9cm Bloom one bud first then follows about 10 and after them a couple more, I think "Spray" is proper term for that... That branches failing down, because branches is to weak. And I think this is climber. On picture you will see some damage on petals like on first rose.
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Reply #1 of 5 posted 5 days ago by Margaret Furness
An excellent series of photos for identification purposes. (I'm not expert enough to suggest a name.) One question for other readers: does it flower just at this time of the year, or does it repeat?
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Reply #2 of 5 posted 5 days ago by Dusan
It repeat flowering in flushes. First bloom appears in may and now I waiting new series. Thank you.
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Reply #3 of 5 posted 5 days ago by billy teabag
Do you know the approximate age of the plant?
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Reply #4 of 5 posted 5 days ago by Dusan
Must be 20+ years old. I cut she little harder. Also I think it is climber.
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Reply #5 of 5 posted 5 days ago by Patricia Routley
I am sorry, I cannot help, but on your search for its correct name, keep in mind this rose's rounded leaves with very pointed tips - and the fact that it has prickles way up the stem.
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Initial post 12 FEB 16 by true-blue
Soupert & Notting 1909-10 catalogue p.23

Francis Dubreuil (Dubreuil 1895) cramoisi pourpré velouté, reflets cerise et amarante, fl.tr.gr......vig.
(crimson, velvet purple, cherry and amaranth reflexes, very big flower, vigorous.)
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Reply #1 of 11 posted 13 FEB 16 by Patricia Routley
Thank you
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Reply #2 of 11 posted 9 days ago by scvirginia
Bob, you wonderful Canadian...

Is there any possibility that you could get your hands (or eyes) on a copy of the 1914 Annual of the Rose Society of Ontario? There is a color photo of a bouquet containing 'Francis Dubreuil' along with four other roses.

There is an online scan at Biodiversity Heritage Library, but the photo is blurry and leaves much to be desired.

I hope you are well,
Virginia
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Reply #3 of 11 posted 6 days ago by true-blue
Wow what a find!

Unfortunately I can't have any access to that.

But if it's any consolation, I doubt if the original copy would be any better.
I tried to extract the image but it's blurry as you said....
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Reply #4 of 11 posted 6 days ago by scvirginia
Thanks, Bob- I thought you might have a "magic source", so I delayed posted that photo until I knew you didn't. You're probably right that the photo's likely to be blurry in all of the annuals.

I think I've mentioned this before, but my favorite candidate for the real 'Francis Dubreuil' is the Aussie foundling, "Kombacy Elyena". A lot of similarities (at least I think so), including some controversy over fragrance.

Cheers,
Virginia
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Reply #5 of 11 posted 6 days ago by true-blue
No more magic source.

I checked Kombacy Elyena. Intriguing rose, though the size doesn't seem to correspond to the six feet or more height, if memory serves me right....
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Reply #6 of 11 posted 5 days ago by Margaret Furness
I've added a comment under "K E".
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Reply #7 of 11 posted 5 days ago by billy teabag
Which of these roses do you think is 'Francis Dubreuil', and which 'General MacArthur'?
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Reply #8 of 11 posted 5 days ago by HubertG
I think 'Francis Dubreuil' is the sole dark red rose at the bottom. The flower amongst the white ones could be General MacArthur, or perhaps a Chatenay which is a bit in shadow as it looks a bit dark pink and scrolled, but I don't think it's FD. It would be a hand coloured photo, so the value is in the form more so than the colour. What do others think?
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Reply #9 of 11 posted 5 days ago by billy teabag
That's my opinion also. I think the only 'Francis Dubreuiul' bloom is the lower, deeper coloured one.
General MacArthur tends to open like the red rose on the right, with the central petals standing up while the outer petals reflex so that for a time there is this separation between the central and outer petals.
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Reply #10 of 11 posted 5 days ago by scvirginia
from The 1914 Annual of the Rose Society of Ontario, p. 31:
"The Lumiere Plates
The heartiest thanks of the Society are due to Sir Edmund Osier, M.P., and to Mr. J. T. Moore of Moore Park, for their great kindness in allowing Mr. Freemantle, who prepared the slides, to show the lovely lumieres or sun-taken color photographs of flowers grown by Mr. Allan in Sir Edmund's conservatory at Craigleigh, and of roses grown by Mr. Bryson at Moore Park. They elicited the warmest admiration and were shown by request on more than one occasion. By the kindness and generosity of Mr. Moore, four of those in his possession appear in this Annual. This intricate and wonderful process was exemplified in its highest development by Mr. Freemantle's skill and the flowers were most realistic in the truth of their colors, painted by Nature herself. We have gone far in photographing in natural colors, and Mr. Freemantle has brought the art to something undreamed of only a few years ago."

About Lumieres: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autochrome_Lumière

These were color photographs, and it seems that the color reproduction was very good. There may have been some color "touch-ups" by the photo-engravers for the purpose of publication, however.

I agree that the dark red bloom near the bottom is 'Francis Dubreuil', and am on the fence about the bloom surrounded (and obscured) by the white roses.

Virginia
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Reply #11 of 11 posted 5 days ago by HubertG
That's fascinating about the Lumiere slides. Imagine if there were still more of those slides in the possession of one of the families of those mentioned, and there was a cache of Francis Dubreuil ones.
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Initial post 6 days ago by JasonSims1984
So I have heard from a few people that this rose reblooms. I personally haven't seen it, but I think this rose gets confused with virginiana. That's probably why my "carolina" isn't working. Lol. I poked it with a stick and it didn't do nothin'!
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 5 days ago by Margaret Furness
Perhaps you could try the chainsaw dance...
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Initial post 8 days ago by Margaret Furness
My own-root Fantin-Latour isn't suckering, which surprises me. Have other growers found this?
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 8 days ago by Palustris
Mine hasn't suckered in a decade or more. I wish it would!
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 8 days ago by Margaret Furness
Thank you, that's useful to know.
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