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Margaret Furness
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Initial post 13 AUG by happymaryellen
I planted my new dawn in March 2016. It has grown like crazy! Last year in spring I got a full flush of blooms. This year I got a full flush blooms in spring. But it doesn’t seem to continue blooming. I am deadheading it, and doing so properly down to five leaves. I also have gotten a Normas amount of growth coming off of it, it’s extremely leggy. So the question I have is, is it too soon for me to expect to bloom all season long?
It is extremely healthy and happy and green, almost no disease, just a little bit of mildew lately. I live in Northern California I am in 100% full sun, and I’ve been fertilizing every three weeks with Max sea 16 1616 Any thoughts?
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Reply #1 of 12 posted 14 AUG by Lavenderlace
I have only been getting a big spring flush also! I've had several people tell me that they might have reverted back to Dr. W. Van Fleet. But I have a total of 16 from two vendors so that seems like a lot to all revert back. I'm very curious to see if this fall will have any blooms from the second vendor's, which are younger.
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Reply #2 of 12 posted 14 AUG by Andrew from Dolton
There is usually a good spring flush here then another scat of flower from August into September. This year was unusually hot and dry and so far there have been no second flush although it has put on plenty of new growth. Maybe extra watering could be the answer.
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Reply #3 of 12 posted 14 AUG by Marlorena
Tell me about it.... my history with this perplexing rose here in England goes back 20 years... I bought 2 in the 1990's, the first grew 20 foot with no rebloom... I then bought a 2nd rose during September one year, from a garden centre, where it was in bloom, so I knew I had the repeat type, but in the garden it once again grew 20 foot and didn't repeat... 10 years ago I bought yet another for my current garden, from Peter Beales… no rebloom... I met the late Mr Beales a year or so before he died and told him about it, that all these ND's seem to revert to Dr Van Fleet when you plant them... he couldn't understand it and offered to replace my rose, but I gave up by then, and I'm now finished with New Dawn...

I can only hope you get some rebloom at some point.. I found it too frustrating...
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Reply #4 of 12 posted 14 AUG by Andrew from Dolton
Isn't 'Dr. W. Van Fleet' larger flowering than 'New Dawn'? My plant is only 5 years old growing 4M up into a cut leaved elder tree. If they revert surely that would happen gradually, not the whole plant change at once?
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Reply #6 of 12 posted 15 AUG by Marlorena
I wouldn't know about that Andrew, as far as I know, if it's a once bloomer it's Van Fleet but if it repeats it's New Dawn... If one buys it as New Dawn, and if it's to do with time or watering, then how many years do you have to wait before it gets into a rebloom cycle? that's what I would like to know... to be honest, I probably didn't go beyond 3 seasons with any of mine... I felt that was long enough, and I only deadheaded... let's see if Lavender Lace's roses rebloom this year...
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Reply #7 of 12 posted 12 days ago by Lavenderlace
Everything rebloomed immediately after all the rain a month ago but not a single bud on the New Dawns. We can have blooms to early December though so will report back if anything changes.
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Reply #10 of 12 posted 12 days ago by Marlorena
Thanks for keeping in touch about this.... I feel I'm shouting through a loud hailer, but if there's anyone in the world out there, who has a New Dawn that repeats... please sign in and tell us about it, because I'm dying to know ….

I'm going to check out a couple I know of in my local area, and see what they're doing...
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Reply #11 of 12 posted 11 days ago by Margaret Furness
There are photos on the hmf file taken in September, October, November in the northern hemisphere; so their plants re-bloom. I donated mine elsewhere because it was so prickly, and I can't recall what it did. It's a survivor rose in our Mediterranean climate.
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Reply #12 of 12 posted 11 days ago by Andrew from Dolton
Yes Margaret it's certainly tough, I moved a fair sized plant a few years ago and never cut it back at all, planted it to grow in an elder tree, it didn't turn a hair just kept on growing. I used to get flowers in September but haven't for the last few years.
Some of the northern hemisphere pictures have been posted in the winter months, some members might not have posted them at the actual time of flowering.
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Reply #5 of 12 posted 15 AUG by Lavenderlace
My first ten grew to twenty feet extremely fast too, but has since slowed down. Andrew might have a good point about the extra watering as we are usually hot, humid, but quite dry. However, we just received seven inches of rain after our usual drought conditions. So hopefully that will be the push that it needs for a fall bloom!
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Reply #8 of 12 posted 12 days ago by Andrew from Dolton
A plant growing in the village in a very dry position has put on hardly any growth and isn't re-flowering. My own 'New Dawn' put on a lot of new growth thanks to some irrigation during the hot dry summer, it shows no sign of re-flowering either. Others have had a good second flush, 'Rose de Rescht', 'Agnes', 'Jacques Cartier' and 'Quatre Saisons Blanc Mousseux' have all done well although 'Duchess of Portland' hasn't even tried. Others, Rosa cinnamomea Plena and the Dunwich Rosa are unexpectedly having another go.
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Reply #9 of 12 posted 12 days ago by Lavenderlace
Sounds like you have lots of blooms today also Andrew! I should have mentioned that I do irrigate, so it wasn't like mine were totally neglected to begin with. Though I do think that New Dawn can certainly tolerate neglect! Blooming seems to be another matter.
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Initial post 12 days ago by Margaret Furness
Another marathon, Jedmar!
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 12 days ago by jedmar
We had a warm April and a hot May and June, so that it has become an exceptional year for hips.
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 12 days ago by Andrew from Dolton
This is one of my favourite pictures on HMF.
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Initial post 14 days ago by scvirginia
Your bloom looks a lot like the rose I got from Antique Rose Emporium as 'Mrs. Bosanquet':
rose received as 'Mrs Bosanquet' from ARE
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Reply #1 of 12 posted 13 days ago by Margaret Furness
If Mistress Bosanquet is still in Aus, it has lost its name. And lent it to Homere on occasion.
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Reply #2 of 12 posted 13 days ago by scvirginia
I think this is not the original Mrs. Bosanquet, which is described as being cream, pale flesh or blush. It is a pretty rose, but rather pink to be Mistriss B.

I did contact ARE to see if the rose was sent in error, but they said this is what they sell as 'Mrs. Bosanquet'.

Virginia
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Reply #3 of 12 posted 13 days ago by HubertG
The photos of Mrs Bosanquet look rather creamy pink which Agnes Smith isn't.
What is interesting is that there are photos of the unopened buds under both roses here, and although one is more bristly, they are both very similarly shaped.
The early spring flowers on Agnes are only semi double and quite cupped at the moment.
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Reply #4 of 12 posted 13 days ago by scvirginia
Yes, the photos and old references do not "fit" the bright pink rose I received as Mrs. B. I believe she is another rose altogether, but I don't recognize her.

She does resemble your "Agnes", I think...

Virginia
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Reply #5 of 12 posted 13 days ago by HubertG
Virginia, 'Agnes Smith' has a very distinct fragrance for me. Impossible to describe but it has a warm 'airy' scent which is tea rose but also a little of some other group too. How does yours smell?
I had speculated that Agnes might be 'Maud Little' (Tea x Bourbon) solely because it reminded me of 'Comtesse de Labarthe' in shape and a bit in fragrance, so I find it interesting that your rose that looks like Agnes was sold as a Boubon-China, and that the bud shape is so similar between Mrs B and Agnes.
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Reply #6 of 12 posted 13 days ago by scvirginia
Did someone say buds?!

Now that I know how to add photos, I'll share the ones I have of my rose's buds:
'Mrs Bosanquet'? bud

and:
'Mrs Bosanquet'? pink bud

Cheers!
Virginia
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Reply #7 of 12 posted 13 days ago by Patricia Routley
For me, "Agnes Smith" is lightly double, always has gracefully drooping blooms, elongated buds and the sepals extend way up beyond the bud.
Perhaps Virginia, if there is a doubt about the 'Mrs. Bosanquet' in commerce, your very clear photos would be of value in that file.
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Reply #8 of 12 posted 12 days ago by HubertG
Virginia, the buds and even the leaves of your rose don't quite look the same as "Agnes Smith"
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Reply #9 of 12 posted 12 days ago by scvirginia
Well, looking at the rather cupped blooms in some of the photos, I have to agree that they aren't the same. Not sure what either of us have, aside from pretty pink roses...

Thanks for having a look, though.
Virginia
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Reply #10 of 12 posted 12 days ago by scvirginia
Patricia, yes, I am doubtful that Mrs. B. should be as pink as my rose is. And according to Jeri Jennings, the roses in commerce (in the US) as Mrs Bosanquet, and actually look the part... are from a cemetery in California, so their provenance is also dicey.
https://www.houzz.com/discussions/4802370/a-medium-sized-rant#n=56

Virginia
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Reply #11 of 12 posted 12 days ago by Patricia Routley
Thanks Virginia. Stay safe.
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Reply #12 of 12 posted 12 days ago by scvirginia
Thanks, Patricia.
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Initial post 14 days ago by Arturo Tarak
I have a young own root plant of Isabelle Nabonnand. I'm interested in the architecture of this plant. Instead on an upright bush it is low spreading and tends to fall downwards over a stone edge more like a ground cover. Does any have this behaviour unlike my other teas which are upright. Arturo
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Reply #1 of 6 posted 13 days ago by Margaret Furness
G Nabonnand and its sport Peace (1902) sprawl, and can layer themselves (root down). My Teas were mostly disbudded through their first summer (it was in a drought), and many have made mounds of green down to the ground.
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Reply #2 of 6 posted 13 days ago by Arturo Tarak
Perhaps this type of comment could be added to the general description of the plant. I would love to see that section expanded in general. I'm sure that there's much more occurring out in the gardens that has yet to be included. Thank you very much for your comment, because first it outrules my induced temptation of trying to grow my I.Nabonnand in a conventional way. I don't have access to any of its few descendants so I don't know if it is a trait that is transmitted any further. This ground covering habit is a very intersting trait for further breeding.
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Reply #3 of 6 posted 13 days ago by Patricia Routley
In my cool, damp conditions in the south west of Western Australia, all the teas grow up and are very bare legged. I would kill for mounds of green down to the ground, but it would never happen here.
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Reply #4 of 6 posted 13 days ago by Arturo Tarak
Patricia I love yor addition. It simply proves my suspicion: Variability in growth pattern within any given cultivar. I have to come to grips with this question :how to contribute to this worldwide data base on rose growth variability. HMF local member Rafael Maino has posted quite a few pictures of his bushes and they are upright. My plant is from a cutting from his garden. Is it just cultural practise or there are groundcover sporting forms as there are for climbing? Thank you
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Reply #5 of 6 posted 13 days ago by scvirginia
If the parent plant you got cuttings from lives nearby in a similar climate, could the different habits have to do with maturity?

Do you know if Rafael Maino's plants were always upright, or did they start to sprawl less as they got older?

Virginia
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Reply #6 of 6 posted 13 days ago by Arturo Tarak
Actually the parent plants pictured by Rafael here at HMF are quite older. They are upright and bushy, not sprawling. My plant, always kept its sprawling character just from the start as a first year cutting. We both live in the town, however where Rafael lives is much more humid ( some years his rainfall can reach double of mine) and has less severe winters. My summers can build higher accumulated temperatures. I'm in a more desert type of climate and environment.
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