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Margaret Furness
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Initial post 24 JAN 22 by Margaret Furness
What a fool of a name to give it. Confusing for novices who may think it's Quatre Saisons.
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 24 JAN 22 by Palustris
As we used to say in my computer marketing days: that's not a bug, it's a feature.
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 6 days ago by Huyustus
A little history... The name of this rose is a reference to the work of Antonio Vivaldi.
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Initial post 9 days ago by Charles Quest-Ritson
"Honorine de Brabant" is a working name, given to this cultivar by Rémi Tanne when he launched it in 1916. However, in their book Historische Rosen im Europa Rosarium Sangerhausen: Noisette- und Bourbon-Rosen by Hella Brumme and Eilike Vemmer, published by Kosmos in 2023, the authors show that it can now be firmly identified as 'Gros Provins Panaché', introduced in 1855 by the prolific French breeder François Fontaine. Was it a sport of 'Commandant Beaurepaire'? Highly unlikely, though research might reveal that 'Commandant Beaurepaire' was a sport of 'Gros Provins Panaché'.
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Reply #1 of 4 posted 9 days ago by Margaret Furness
"Honorine de Brabant" is said to be tetraploid, and Gros Provins Panache ex Guillot is diploid. So if A = B, then either what Guillot has, or what was tested as "Honorine de Brabant", was incorrect.
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Reply #2 of 4 posted 9 days ago by Charles Quest-Ritson
That's important, but where's the evidence?
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Reply #3 of 4 posted 9 days ago by Margaret Furness
Good point. I can't see a reference for H de B's ploidy.
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Reply #4 of 4 posted 9 days ago by jedmar
What they are saying is that there is no difference between these two roses at the rosariums of Sangerhausen and Dortmund. That is quite possible, but is not conclusive evidence that the two roses were not originally distinct.
A note to HMF's 'Gros Provins Panaché" already mentioned that GPP in commerce is often HdB. GPP was not in the collection of Sangerhausen in 1936 and is not mentioned in any of the first 8 Rosen-Verzeichnis of Sangerhausen. It is listed as Provins Panaché in the 9th edition of 2011. Its provenance seems to be the National Bourbon rose collection of Victor Lewis of UK, which was disbanded. Probably Victor Lewis already had the wrong rose.
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Initial post 9 days ago by Margaret Furness
The illustration from Journal des Roses isn't thornless.
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Initial post 12 days ago by Michael Garhart
This is possibly a different, newer 'Georgia Peach'? A lot of new florist OGR replica types coming out from various sources. Many not registered, and some with duplicate/similar names of known roses.
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Reply #1 of 4 posted 12 days ago by Lee H.
Must be another Georgia Peach. The one HMF lists is available through Wilson Bros., and looks like this:
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Reply #2 of 4 posted 12 days ago by Michael Garhart
The one from Grace Rose Farm is this:

"Rose Type: Cut Garden Rose
Breeder: Jan Spek Rozen
Color: Peach to Apricot
Vase Life: 7-12 days
Fragrance: Medium
Bloom Form: Cupped
Petal Count: 50-80
Growth Type: Shrub
Flowering: Repeat
Planting Season: Spring
Light Requirements: Full sun
Hardiness Zones: 5-11
Spacing: 3-4'
Height: 3-4
Width: 3-4'
Disease Resistance: Excellent, provide routine pest & disease prevention"

Definitely different roses.
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Reply #3 of 4 posted 12 days ago by Margaret Furness
Shouldn't have double inverted commas, if they can name a breeder.
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Reply #4 of 4 posted 11 days ago by Patricia Routley
I have separated the two files, and moved photos. We now have:
"Georgia Peach™" (found rose, 2010)
Georgia Peach ® (florists rose, Spek)
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