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Margaret Furness
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What a fool of a name to give it. Confusing for novices who may think it's Quatre Saisons.
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As we used to say in my computer marketing days: that's not a bug, it's a feature.
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#2 of 2 posted
6 days ago by
Huyustus
A little history... The name of this rose is a reference to the work of Antonio Vivaldi.
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"Honorine de Brabant" is a working name, given to this cultivar by Rémi Tanne when he launched it in 1916. However, in their book Historische Rosen im Europa Rosarium Sangerhausen: Noisette- und Bourbon-Rosen by Hella Brumme and Eilike Vemmer, published by Kosmos in 2023, the authors show that it can now be firmly identified as 'Gros Provins Panaché', introduced in 1855 by the prolific French breeder François Fontaine. Was it a sport of 'Commandant Beaurepaire'? Highly unlikely, though research might reveal that 'Commandant Beaurepaire' was a sport of 'Gros Provins Panaché'.
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"Honorine de Brabant" is said to be tetraploid, and Gros Provins Panache ex Guillot is diploid. So if A = B, then either what Guillot has, or what was tested as "Honorine de Brabant", was incorrect.
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That's important, but where's the evidence?
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Good point. I can't see a reference for H de B's ploidy.
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#4 of 4 posted
9 days ago by
jedmar
What they are saying is that there is no difference between these two roses at the rosariums of Sangerhausen and Dortmund. That is quite possible, but is not conclusive evidence that the two roses were not originally distinct. A note to HMF's 'Gros Provins Panaché" already mentioned that GPP in commerce is often HdB. GPP was not in the collection of Sangerhausen in 1936 and is not mentioned in any of the first 8 Rosen-Verzeichnis of Sangerhausen. It is listed as Provins Panaché in the 9th edition of 2011. Its provenance seems to be the National Bourbon rose collection of Victor Lewis of UK, which was disbanded. Probably Victor Lewis already had the wrong rose.
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The illustration from Journal des Roses isn't thornless.
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This is possibly a different, newer 'Georgia Peach'? A lot of new florist OGR replica types coming out from various sources. Many not registered, and some with duplicate/similar names of known roses.
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#1 of 4 posted
12 days ago by
Lee H.
Must be another Georgia Peach. The one HMF lists is available through Wilson Bros., and looks like this:
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The one from Grace Rose Farm is this:
"Rose Type: Cut Garden Rose Breeder: Jan Spek Rozen Color: Peach to Apricot Vase Life: 7-12 days Fragrance: Medium Bloom Form: Cupped Petal Count: 50-80 Growth Type: Shrub Flowering: Repeat Planting Season: Spring Light Requirements: Full sun Hardiness Zones: 5-11 Spacing: 3-4' Height: 3-4 Width: 3-4' Disease Resistance: Excellent, provide routine pest & disease prevention"
Definitely different roses.
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Shouldn't have double inverted commas, if they can name a breeder.
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I have separated the two files, and moved photos. We now have: "Georgia Peach™" (found rose, 2010) Georgia Peach ® (florists rose, Spek)
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