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Initial post 17 JAN by Agnis
There is also a Frances Meilland, which doesn't seem to be in your database. Introduced by Meilland in 2013.
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Reply #1 of 4 posted 17 JAN by jedmar
It is the same as 'Francis Meilland'. Some US nurseries call it "Frances".
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Reply #2 of 4 posted 17 JAN by Agnis
Well isn't that silly! Weeks Roses is pretending Frances Meilland was introduced in 2013, when Francis Meilland was introduced in 1996. They both have the same patent number 19970, so they are the same rose, except that Francis is 4 ft tall and Frances is 6 ft tall. Frances M is a patented variety. So strange.
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Reply #3 of 4 posted 18 JAN by jedmar
Weeks probably introduced it in 2013 in the USA, but its first introduction in Europe was 2006, i.e. 10 years after it was bred. Very often breeders state too low heights for the roses they are freshly introducing. This can have several reasons: Not many years' experience how tall a rose can become; but also, Marketing reasons, as roses which are 3-4' tall seem to be more popular for smaller gardens - not everyone wants a 6-8' monster! e.g. my English Roses were regularly a multiple of what the breeder stated!
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Reply #4 of 4 posted 11 SEP by Lavenderlace
I planted FM last summer own-root, expecting three feet at maturity. He's now eight feet tall with a mid-summer pruning. The flowers are gorgeous and long lasting in the vase in spite of the unfortunate height. I hope he can deal with being moved to a more suitable location!
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Initial post 22 JUN by Agnis
I don't understand what the post from Patricia Routley has to do with Gruss an Zabern not being available at Heirloom Roses. Patricia, if it is you who posted that, what is the message?

Ellen Smart
Ridgefield, WA
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 22 JUN by Patricia Routley
Sorry Ellen, I should have added a few more words to be clear. I have been doing a little bit of volunteer administrating on HelpMeFind for about 11 years now and sometimes time gets away from me and I am reduced to taking shortcuts by just saying "Thanks". As you advised in your previous post, I deleted 'Gruss an Zabern' from Heirloom's nursery listing, and added 'Gruss an Aachen'.
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Initial post 21 JUN by Agnis
Heirloom roses does not have Gruss an Zabern available. They have Gruss an Aachen
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 22 JUN by Patricia Routley
Thanks
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most recent 22 MAY 15 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 22 JUL 14 by Agnis
Dear HelpMe Find,

You need to remove Vintage Gardens from your list of places to buy roses, as they have closed forever. (boo hoo!)

Ellen Smart
Ridgefield, WA
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Reply #1 of 8 posted 22 JUL 14 by Patricia Routley
It is listed as a reference only nursery.
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Reply #2 of 8 posted 22 JUL 14 by Agnis
No it isn't. It is listed as a place to buy roses, not as a reference. They have stopped tending their database, so it is no good as a reference anyway.
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Reply #3 of 8 posted 23 JUL 14 by Patricia Routley
Take a closer look. On the small (orange-coloured) opening page for Vintage there are the words “Reference only nursery”. Once you open the main page for Vintage, on the second line it also says “Reference only rose nursery”. On the bottom of that same page it says “Vintage Gardens has closed operations in May 2014.”

Having closed nurseries listed as once carrying a rose is extremely valuable for the researcher, and for people who inherit roses that are known to have come from that nursery. I have hundreds of old nursery catalogues and while most of the nurseries are long gone, these listings and their descriptions of roses are some of the most valuable things I have.
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Reply #4 of 8 posted 23 JUL 14 by Agnis
That is not the point. when you click on where to buy, up comes Vintage Gardens. I bought roses from them for many years. I was aware of their demise as it happened, slowly, over a very long time.

Dave needs to remove it. vintagegardens.com no longer exists. finished. done.

What you do not seem to understand is that their website no longer is there. It was a great resource. I used it often. It no longer exists. It is gone. Dave needs to rejig, and put onto davesgarden.com what is useful: the new website, where the information from the old website is available. Under certain circumstances. When you say it is a 'resource' you apparently are unaware that there is no information, or hardly any information, at that place.
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Reply #5 of 8 posted 24 JUL 14 by Rupert, Kim L.
Agnis, when you click on the "Buy From" tab and it brings up the list of nurseries, the Vintage Gardens information on the Buy From tab states:

"Vintage Gardens

A collection of over 3400 antique and extraordinary roses.

Reference only rose nursery. 3668 plants listed. 11 photos. USDA zone 8a.

107 favorite votes. Average rating: EXCELLENT. "

I suggested and worked to create the many "reference only" nursery listings here on Help Me Find to document what has been available here commercially. If you notice the "Reference only rose nursery", it should prevent any confusion. Whether there is any information on line concerning Vintage Gardens or a web site for them, what they offered for sale is maintained here on Help Me Find in case you have a question whether any of their offerings may have been sold here in the United States. It has helped several times in identifying found roses for which no identification was known. I apologize for the confusion it caused you, but the information is stated clearly on the Buy From tab, before you even go to the Vintage Nursery page.
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Reply #9 of 8 posted 22 MAY 15 by Matt's North Texas Rose Garden
Chill out!!!
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Reply #7 of 8 posted 24 JUL 14 by Agnis
Here, I've done it for you

http://thefriendsofvintageroses.org/home/
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Reply #8 of 8 posted 24 JUL 14 by Rupert, Kim L.
Thank you. I have also removed all contact information for the closed nursery as well as countries shipped to, except Germany as the system will not allow me to remove all of them. I have turned that issue over to the Help Desk with the request they please wipe out all "ship to" countries. Hopefully no one else will be confused.
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