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most recent 26 APR HIDE POSTS
Initial post 25 APR by Cà Berta
The database of Roseto Botanico Gianfranco e Carla Fineschi reports it as "H. rug." by Mansuino (almost certainly Quinto)
Reply #1 of 1 posted 26 APR by Patricia Routley
Thank you Bruna. Breeder added.
most recent 12 APR HIDE POSTS
Initial post 12 APR by Cà Berta
in "Le rose italiane" by Andrew Hornung, 2015 page 170
"Granatina (Rubaiyat x Mrs Miniver) probabilmente è stata ottenuta in questo stesso periodo" (i.e. in the late '50s)
Reply #1 of 1 posted 12 APR by Patricia Routley
Thanks Bruna. Reference added.
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Initial post 20 AUG 15 by CybeRose
The Floricultural Cabinet, and Florists' Magazine, Volume 9 page 195 (Sept 1, 1841)
Banksia rosea is a slight deviation from the true Banksia; it appears to bear an affinity to some of the Boursoult Roses of humbler growth.
Reply #1 of 12 posted 22 AUG 15 by Patricia Routley
Thanks Karl.
I have added your references, but note that you have commented in a file which has the "foundling" double quotes. We have two files:
"Rosa banksiae rosea" (Rambler)
Rosea (hybrid banksia)
I suspect they should be merged to become just the one 'Rosea' (hybrid banksiae)?
Reply #2 of 12 posted 22 AUG 15 by CybeRose
I really don't know anything about this (these?). I just happened across a mention of Banksia rosea and wanted to preserve the info.

It would be interesting if this "Rosea" turns out to be a Hybrid Banksiae.
Reply #3 of 12 posted 23 AUG 15 by Patricia Routley
I know nothing about them either, but there is a garden called Le Villerot in France who grows the founding rose. Perhaps we should seek more information before merging the files. Does anybody know this garden or the owners
Reply #4 of 12 posted 23 AUG 15 by Cà Berta
In Italy a few nurseries sell Rosa Banksiae rosea. I bought two from Vivai Innocenti & Mangoni and they proved to be Tausendschon. I think that other pink roses might be sold with that name.
Reply #5 of 12 posted 24 AUG 15 by Patricia Routley
I had a fossick around the one nursery that HelpMeFind lists for this rose, Crocus, but could only find a normal banksiae.
Reply #6 of 12 posted 24 AUG 15 by Cà Berta
... the other, plantes et, as stated in HMF sells a Rosa banksiae rosea. However, as far as I can judge from the photo ( it looks Tausendschon. It does not surprise me as Vivai Innocenti & Mangoni is a sort of huge hub that sells to other nurseries in 40 countries.
Reply #7 of 12 posted 24 AUG 15 by Patricia Routley
Thanks Cà Berta. We've noted on the foundling page that it may be 'Tausendschon'.
Reply #8 of 12 posted 24 AUG 15 by Cà Berta
Warning is the only thing we can do!
In 2007 I wrote to Mangoni and they, very kindly, replied that "their commercial catalogue is dedicated to professionals who are presumed to have in-depth knowledge of the subject". Nino Sanremo, a truly professional nursery, in fact removed Rosea banksiae rosea from its catalogue and donated the left over plants to customers.
Reply #9 of 12 posted 25 DEC 16 by Chirotteri
what about this rose?:,rosier-de-banks-rosea,9383,FR
(they say: "Introduced in France in 1807")

I have got one bought there. It is now (December) blooming.

It has some small thorns. Little scent. It is a few years old plant not showing (yet?) tall canes as other banksiae I have (alba plena and lutea).

I am posting a picture....
Need I to rename it??? Thank you!
Reply #11 of 12 posted 25 DEC 16 by jedmar
I had to look up the dictionary for the meaning of "fossick"!
Reply #12 of 12 posted 10 MAR by Patricia Routley
I have been fossicking..... and will add a new comment in 'Tausendschon', which may be relevant.
Reply #10 of 12 posted 25 DEC 16 by jedmar
I have uploaded 3 photos I made during a visit to Le Villerot in 2014. It was not a full grown plant at the time and had only a few blooms. The canes are without prickles, and leaflets are narrow and lanceolate, however I cannot confirm that it is really a banksia. It does not look like 'Tausendschön' to me, the foliage is narrower. The introduction date of 1807 is definitely incorrect, that refers to the white version of the Banksia.
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Initial post 11 FEB by Cà Berta
In "Le rose italiane. Una storia di passione e bellezza dall'Ottocento a oggi", by Andrew Hornung 2015 Ed. Pendragon page 170
"Serenella (1954) è un bellissimo ibrido di Tè, molto doppio, rosa-lilla"

That description matches the photos I posted in HMF in 2016
Reply #1 of 1 posted 16 FEB by Patricia Routley
Reference added. Thank you Bruna.
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