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Cà Berta
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Initial post 13 days ago by Cà Berta
In "Le rose italiane. Una storia di passione e bellezza dall'Ottocento a oggi", by Andrew Hornung 2015 Ed. Pendragon page 170
"Serenella (1954) è un bellissimo ibrido di Tè, molto doppio, rosa-lilla"

That description matches the photos I posted in HMF in 2016
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 8 days ago by Patricia Routley
Reference added. Thank you Bruna.
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most recent 5 FEB HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 4 FEB by Cà Berta
In "Le rose italiane. Una storia di passione e bellezza dall'Ottocento a oggi", by Andrew Hornung 2015 Ed. Pendragon page 173
"La Floribunda rosa salmone "Donna Silva Carmine" (Mt. Shasta x Papillon Rose) fu presentata nel 1974.
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 5 FEB by Patricia Routley
Thank you Bruna. Parentage added and the colour "salmon pink".
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most recent 31 DEC SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 7 NOV 16 by Patricia Routley
In 1971 Norman Young hypothesized that ‘Variegata di Bologna’ was a sport of ‘Victor Emmanuel’ which was long popular in Italy. This guess was often repeated in the literature.
HelpMeFind member Ca Berta found the important 1909 reference which gave ‘Variegata di Bologna’s pollen parent as ‘Pride of Reigate. I am wondering if the rose on the left of this photo is not ‘Victor Emmanuel’, but either ‘Comtesse d’Oxford or its sport ‘Pride of Reigate’. Does David Ruston’s planting records book give the provenance of the rose on the left.

We have a chronological descendancy of
1859 Victor Verdier
1869 Comtesse d’Oxford HP. (seedling of Victor Verdier)
1880s Pride of Reigate (sport of Comtesse d’Oxford)
1909 Variegata di Bologna (seedling x Pride of Reigate)
1980 Purpurea di Bologna (sport of Variegata di Bologna. Or a reversion back to Pride of Reigate or Comtesse d’Oxford?)
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 31 DEC by Cà Berta
I do not know if it may help .. in the 1908 catalogue of Gaetano Bonfiglioli e figlio are listed both Comtesse of Oxford and Pride of Reigate but not Victor Emmanuel. Mr. Lodi, thus, had surely avaiilable Pride of Reigate for his hybridizations .. no prove he had Victor Emmanuel at hand.
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most recent 22 DEC SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 14 DEC by andrewandsally
The correct spelling is 'Ricordo ...' etc. I know this seems pedantic but when I tried at first looking it up on hmf I couldn't find it because I was spelling it correctly. I don't know how Jaeger's Rosenlexicon spells it; the GroenlooF site spells it with two "c" and, in consequence, at Sangerhausen the spelling error is repeated (as with all other varieties beginning with Ricordo.
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Reply #1 of 8 posted 15 DEC by jedmar
Rosenlexikon spells it with cc, Sangerhausen and Groenloof follow Jäger. We can add 'Ricordo...' if there is a reference with one c only. Yes, correct spelling of the word is 'Ricordo' but we have to follow references, too.
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Reply #2 of 8 posted 15 DEC by andrewandsally
I understand that, but at present hmf does not recognise the correct spelling at all - as if such a rose didn't exist. Sangerhausen lists several other roses whose names begin with the same word as 'Riccordo...' rather than 'Ricordo...'. The trouble is that such errors begin to have a life of their on; the result of this is that looking, for instance, for 'Ricordo de Giosue' Carducci' in the index you would conclude wrongly that they don't have it.
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Reply #3 of 8 posted 16 DEC by Patricia Routley
I can't read/speak any Italian either, but I see that Brent Dickerson (The Old Rose Adventurer, p447) notes:
Ricordo di Geo Chavez [Translation: "In Memory of Geo Chavez".]
Ricordo di Giosue Carducci ('Souvenir de Giosue Carducci') [Translation: "In Memory of Giosue Carducci".]

Might Recordo be something like.... a record... of the man?
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Reply #4 of 8 posted 16 DEC by andrewandsally
Ricordo = memory = (in rose parlance) souvenir (Fr.) = Andenken (German)
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Reply #5 of 8 posted 16 DEC by andrewandsally
Ricordo = memory = (in rose parlance) souvenir (Fr.) = Andenken (German)
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Reply #6 of 8 posted 16 DEC by Margaret Furness
I remember looking up emleke (sorry, can't do the accent on the middle e) because it occurs in the name of many Hungarian-bred roses. Google translate put it as Memories.
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Reply #7 of 8 posted 17 DEC by jedmar
That is a sufficient base, I suppose. This semms to be the only rose where the "Ricordo" spelling was missing; so be it.
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Reply #8 of 8 posted 22 DEC by Cà Berta
By the way .. the true name of the horticulturist active in Florence in late '800 and early '900 was Ferdinando Scarlatti ..
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