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most recent 8 APR SHOW ALL
Initial post 15 MAY 13 by goncmg
Just got this one as a sub from Heirloom...............actually hate striped roses and put it on my alt list as a dare and wow, joke on, what am I to expect? How sickly is this one in humid 6a Columbus? Is it really striped?Does it set hips? Is there any reason I should keep it and not "gift" it away?
Reply #1 of 14 posted 16 MAY 13 by Patricia Routley
I don't have this rose, but it seems, that yes it is striped. It did not have consistently good reports in New Zealand and I suspect that it may not be healthy in your humid climate. According to the Australian patent, the hips are medium to large and pitcher shaped. There are a few more references to be read now.
Reply #2 of 14 posted 16 MAY 13 by Nastarana
I consider O & L to be a gimick. I have never seen one that was not a puny, unattractive specimen. You might want to try a rigorous fertilizer regimen, to bring out its' best growth and color.
Reply #3 of 14 posted 16 MAY 13 by goncmg
Thanks Nastarana and Patricia! Yeah, I figured this one would be a "dud" and I'll see what I can do with it.....why I listed it as a sub when I don't even LIKE striped roses is beyond me, guess I wanted to tempt the fates. Maybe it will surprise me, I will put it on the same "medicine" schedule that Soleil d'Or and Golden Showers get: a little spritz of Rose Pride each and everyday.....
Reply #4 of 14 posted 4 DEC 13 by Simon Voorwinde
I grow it in Tasmania, Australia, with no care at all... it's a tall strong plant.
Reply #5 of 14 posted 5 DEC 13 by Margaret Furness
It was very good in my sister's garden in the Adelaide Hills - zone 9b, Mediterranean climate with dry summers. Nice effect with the burgundy leaves.
Reply #6 of 14 posted 5 DEC 13 by Lyn G
It was a dawg in my San Diego garden. It was the first rose I ever shovel pruned ... and I still have no regret. I do like and still grow other McGredy roses, but this one .... not for me.

Reply #7 of 14 posted 1 MAY 16 by LaurelZ
Can you be more specific about why you did not like it? I saw it in a nursery, and I am posting. It looks ok, its not flopping. The foliage, although I did not get a shot looked very attractive and shiny. It appears that Weeks has reclassified Oranges and Lemons as a shurb rose.
Reply #9 of 14 posted 4 JUL 16 by Lyn G
Sorry to be so late responding ...

In my experience, roses are regional. 'Oranges and Lemons' just did not like my San Diego climate. That does not necessarily mean that it will not do well for you.

When I moved to the mountains of northern California, roses that did exceptionally well for me in San Diego did not like the climate up here. Often the success of a rose depends upon where you are gardening.
Reply #10 of 14 posted 4 JUL 16 by LaurelZ
thank you, but it was sold out. It has nice looking leaves.
Reply #8 of 14 posted 27 JUN 16 by Michael Garhart
It's not a bad rose. Blooms well. Color is nice. Survives decently. Average health.

The bad part is the plant architecture, which does not fit into any practical idea. It is not quite a pillar. It is not a shrub or floribunda. It's very floppy. It can be grown decently inside a pillar structure, where it can sort of flop over the top.
Reply #11 of 14 posted 8 APR by drossb1986
I'll add to this...I grew this one when it first came out. In my experience it was a very disease resistant stripe, very bright. However, the blooms were small, you couldn't really cut them as they aren't really on long enough stems, and it throws these giant arching canes. I don't know if it would grow better as a sorta-climber or what. It was just odd and awkward, not necessarily bad.
Reply #12 of 14 posted 8 APR by Andrew from Dolton
The first time I saw a picture of this rose I fell in love and had to have it. I adore striped roses. Floribundas don't grow so well in my garden so I expected to have to put up with extreme blackspot for a couple of years then remove a half dead plant. But not so. It is tolerably healthy with me and flowers on and off all season, never putting on a big display but a continual one. The dark coloured foliage against the flowers adds another dimension to its appeal. However my only criticism is that when out of flower it is a rather unattractive leggy shrub, so I grow plenty of other plants around it and ignore it to the best of my ability when not in bloom. Never growing very high, by the end of the season it just about manages to get 1 metre tall.
Reply #13 of 14 posted 8 APR by LaurelZ
I was able to buy one and I find it to rapid growing, but not leggy. The flowers are small, but don't sag. I suggest maybe its not getting enough sun light or the soil is poor. I also suggest pruning overly long canes to encourage more wide growth.
Reply #14 of 14 posted 8 APR by Andrew from Dolton
It hates the cool wet summers here, if the flowers weren't so striking I wouldn't grow it.
most recent 3 APR SHOW ALL
Initial post 31 JUL by Patricia Routley
Something odd about those US patent photos.
Reply #1 of 2 posted 31 JUL by Simon Voorwinde
Odd that they are in the U.S. to begin with????
Reply #2 of 2 posted 3 APR by Rupert, Kim L.
Isn't it? What's your experience been with Brindabella Glow, Simon?
most recent 6 MAR SHOW ALL
Initial post 20 SEP 13 by Simon Voorwinde
I have never understood why so many people have chosen to 'favourite' this seedling of mine... it's just a single, pink, once flowering, mulitflora-like rose *shrugs* and the only person to ever see it in person is a friend of mine in NSW, Australia, who was sent a plant of it a few years back... 'tis is a mystery.
Reply #1 of 4 posted 21 SEP 13 by Margaret Furness
Probably the webspider again; it selects roses with no Buy From and/or Garden listings.
Reply #2 of 4 posted 21 SEP 13 by Simon Voorwinde
I'm not sure what you mean by a webspider, Margaret? A search engine can spider a website to index it for searching but it cannot interact with it and do things like activate a favourites button. It must be people doing it... but I just don't understand why?
Reply #5 of 4 posted 6 MAR by Plazbo
I do it because the favourite list doesn't seem to have a limit (that I've hit anyway) while the watch list has (or did for me anyway). Its just easy to favourite a rose of interest to come back to it later.
Reply #3 of 4 posted 8 DEC 14 by Salix
All things said, I wonder what this rose will do crossed with a Rugosa or moss. Note the high gland count on the stems and buds. MORjerry (according to Kim) is the only un-stinky Rugos moss- supposedly the polyantha, and thus multiflora blood. Maybe worth trying, if only because.
most recent 25 FEB SHOW ALL
Initial post 22 AUG 11 by Simon Voorwinde

This variety arose from controlled pollination of two unnamed seedlings. " :(

Reply #1 of 9 posted 22 JUN 12 by Vladimír Ježovič
It´s the same as parentage unknow.
Reply #2 of 9 posted 22 JUN 12 by Simon Voorwinde
It's not the same... the hybridiser would likely have a record of what the lineage of the un-named seedling was and it was the result of a planned cross. This might have been done to protect intellectual property rights or to disguise the lineage for marketting purposes.. for example it might detrimentally affect the sales of a rose in Australia if one was to advertise the fact that 'Rhapsody in Blue' was a parent of one of the seedlings as RiB in general does quite poorly here.
Reply #3 of 9 posted 27 JUN 12 by Margaret Furness
Rhapsody in Blue seems to be position-dependent - it does fine in my slightly acid clay soil, Mediterranean climate, zone 9b. On its own roots.
Reply #4 of 9 posted 30 JUN 12 by Simon Voorwinde
'Rhapsody in Blue' is own-root and on acid soil here as well; deep red soil. It's in a prime location. Every summer, without fail, it goes dormant and loses all its leaves only to make a new batch in autumn. It grows ok, if you can ignore this trait but its not really something I think Aussie gardeners are after as we spend a large proportion of our time outdoors in our gardens in summer. It's a nice colour, but I think it is completely unsuitable for Australian conditions. It's descendant, 'Wild Rover', is exactly the same down here.

P.S. did you get my email, Margaret, thanking you for the HRiA journals?
Reply #5 of 9 posted 1 JUL 12 by Margaret Furness
Yes, I did thanks - a bit hectic at present, hence the delayed reply!
Reply #7 of 9 posted 25 FEB by Kathy Strong's Del Cerro Garden
Rhapsody in Blue seems to be very temperature dependent, actually. I think it's the temperature above about 80 degrees Fahrenheit (27 degrees in Celsius) that induces a type of dormancy in that rose. I grew it in a marine fog bank in coastal SoCal and it did just great there all summer long at average temps of about 75, but moving it out of the fog bank and to areas just a few degrees warmer induced that summer dormancy thing it does, all in very similar soil types.
Reply #8 of 9 posted 25 FEB by Margaret Furness
It doesn't defoliate at all in my no-spray garden. Mediterranean climate, hot dry summers, occasionally above 100F / 38C. Not flowering at present (late summer) but I haven't deadheaded it. I would regard it as a robust rose, and am surprised to hear that others have problems with it.
Reply #9 of 9 posted 25 FEB by Michael Garhart
Stormy Weather loves heat, and you can prune it to stay as a shrub. I mean, if you like RiB but hate that it cries as soon as the sun comes out.
Reply #6 of 9 posted 24 FEB by Michael Garhart
Often times "seedling" is a known variety, or a simple cross of 2 known varieties. It's uncommon for a "seedling" to be a complex hybrid.

On rare occasion, unknown is known, but masked for protective reasons. But often is truly unknown. It's a real pain.

In quite rare cases, the seedling is not only known, but given or sold to a breeder by another breeder, and it is either masked or stated as their own unique lineage. This is more common from country to country, rather than within any given country.
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