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Simon Voorwinde
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Initial post 8 NOV 09 by Simon Voorwinde
I suspect wichurana features somewhere in this variety... very double producing no anthers for me (Tasmania, Australia). Has not set any OP hips yet. Testing it as a seed parent this season. Grows easily and well on its own roots.
Reply #1 of 1 posted 9 days ago by Michael Garhart
"Comparison with Parents

`AUSgold` (Golden Celebration) has large, cupped, golden-yellow flowers on a medium shrub compared with the orange-red blooms of AUSjump. The seedling parent has deep pink flowers and grows to 240 cm, about thrice the height of AUSjump. "

8' tall?

I have Jubilee Celebration, which is either a full or half-sister to this rose. A resulting seedling with a typical HT resulted in a 7' floppy monster HT. Nothing even remotely like the very short Jubilee Celebration, or either parent of the HT.

My first thought was back-breeding to Aloha? Similar foliage. Who knows though.

It is quite weird, the reference to a polyantha line, because there is nothing to back this up, and the stated height of the unknown parent in the patent is pretty disparate to the polyantha idea.
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Initial post 19 JUN 10 by RosariumRob
According to Google-translated info on the website of the Chinese Plant Varieties Protection Information Network (, Immensee and Yellow Fleurette were involved in creating this rose. Someone who can read Chinese may be able to decipher the exact parentage reported.
Reply #1 of 5 posted 12 DEC 10 by Michael Garhart
"Note: Section Kyi is Immensee Kelvin female parent of hybrid seedlings with unknown seedlings, the male parent for the YELLOW FLEURETT."

I think it is saying Immense seedling x Yellow Fleurett, which makes sense in appearance. I am using Google Chrome btw. It has an auto translator installed. Still, it induces headaches, lol.
Reply #2 of 5 posted 17 SEP 11 by Simon Voorwinde

"Controlled pollination: Seed parent (seedling x ‘Immensee’), crossed with pollen parent (‘Korlalon’)."

Reply #3 of 5 posted 17 SEP 11 by jedmar
Parentage added, thank you. I wonder why the patents state alternative pollen parents with 'KORlalon' and 'Yellow Fleurette'.
Reply #4 of 5 posted 18 SEP 11 by Simon Voorwinde
I'm not sure it is. Maybe it's as Michael is saying and 'Yellow Fleurette' is involved in the breeding od the unknown seedling somehow.
Reply #5 of 5 posted 13 days ago by Michael Garhart
I think the miscommunication is in the translation and general wording. It is possible that the patent is implying that the male parent's male parent is Yellow Fleurette.

I think the patent is trying to imply that its new product is an improvement on the paternal grandfather.

But there is no way to prove this, but it's the best scenario I can see based on the clumsy translations.
most recent 13 NOV SHOW ALL
Initial post 4 NOV 06 by lynfarn
'Jacqueline Nebout' s' synonym - 'City of Adelaide' was used to celebrate the first Rose Festival in Adelaide, South Australia.  It's parentage is unknown.
Reply #1 of 8 posted 29 JUL 11 by Simon Voorwinde
From the Australian PBR website:

Arose from the controlled pollination of 'Meidanu' x 'Meitulimon' [by 'Meihartfo']. Bred by Alain Meilland, SNC Meilland et Cie, Antibes, France."

Reply #2 of 8 posted 29 JUL 11 by HMF Admin
Thank you for bringing this to our attention. Some of the information differs from our references so we'll need to research a bit.
Reply #3 of 8 posted 12 NOV by Robert Neil Rippetoe
It would be helpful to get parentage input and updated. Thanks, Robert
Reply #4 of 8 posted 13 NOV by Patricia Routley
Aha - a can of worms for breakfast. I don't know what Simon's words (by Meihartfo) means, and cannot get into the Australian PBR website. As far as I can see,

1965 Tamango MEIdanu (Alain x [Radar x Caprice]
1970 Kalinka MEIhartfor (Zambra x [Sarabande x Fashion]
1977 Manou Meilland MEItulimon [Baronne Edmond de Rothschild x BEdR] x [Ma Fille x Love Song]
1987 Jacqueline Nebout (Tamango x Manou Meilland)

Would that be correct?
Reply #5 of 8 posted 13 NOV by Robert Neil Rippetoe
Looks correct to me, unless I'm missing something. Thanks, Robert
Reply #6 of 8 posted 13 NOV by Patricia Routley
Grateful. Parentage added.
Reply #7 of 8 posted 13 NOV by Simon Voorwinde
Not my words. Copied and pasted directly from the word document linked to here: . More fully the excerpt looks like this:


'Meichoiju' synonym 'City of Adelaide'
Application No. 1992/107
Application Accepted 28 July 1992
Applicant: SNC Meilland et Cie,Antibes, France
Australian Agent:Ross Roses,Willunga, South Australia

A medium pink (RHS 52D) remontant flowering bush rose producing medium sized (av. 97.15mm) blooms bourne in clusters of 3-5 blooms per stem. Each semi-double bloom has 26-32 petals. The medium sized leaves (av. terminal leaflet length - 51.9mm) dark green and glossy on the upper side. Shape of terminal leaflet base obtuse and terminal leaflet in cross section is concave. Undulation of leaflet margin medium. Thorn shape catena on the upper side and concave on the lower side. Strong sepal length - mean 25.55mm. Mild petal reflexing present and petal undulation observed. Filament colour yellow, style colour red. Stigma located above the anther. 'Meichoiju' has medium sized pitcher shaped seed vessels.

Arose from the controlled pollination of 'Meidanu' x 'Meitulimon' [by 'Meihartfo']. Bred by Alain Meilland, SNC Meilland et Cie, Antibes, France.

Comparative Trial
The comparator is 'Kalinka'. The comparative test conducted at Willunga, South Australia 23 April 1993. Measurements from 20 specimens selected at random from 6-10 plants. Plants grown in open beds in clay loam soil.

Prior Applications And Sales
Country Year Status Name applied
France 1988 Granted 'Meichoiju'

'Meichioju' was first sold in France on 1st April 1988.

Description prepared by A. Kim Syrus, Melrose Park, South Australia."
Reply #8 of 8 posted 13 NOV by Patricia Routley
Thanks for that Simon.
(Odd that I couldn't get into the Australian patent on the iPad, but no problem on the computer.)
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Initial post 22 MAY 09 by Simon Voorwinde
Anyone know whether this rose sets OP hips?
Reply #1 of 4 posted 28 AUG 16 by Rita Granata
Simon, I'm now growing this rose (came as a gift). Will let you know if you are still interested. Rita
Reply #2 of 4 posted 29 AUG 16 by Simon Voorwinde
I removed it a long time ago, Rita. It was very disease prone.
Reply #3 of 4 posted 30 AUG 16 by Margaret Furness
Perhaps you should have threatened to hit it with a golfclub...
Reply #4 of 4 posted 28 OCT by Rita Granata
A year later and it has grown to 1.5m wide and only 50cm high. I am so loving it's free flowering and healthy foliage atm that I have ordered another 3 plants to grown as a base to the trees on the verge in the hope that cars will stop driving on it and compacting the tree roots. Will upload photo so you can see it as of today. This plant was grown from a cutting by Marilyn Thomas, a member of our HRiA group in the Illawarra/South Coast/Sth Highlands group. On the negative side. I have seen it ball in heavy rain, but what rose doesn't!
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