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Available from - 16-Eichen Rosenschätze - Rosenschule und Rosarium
http://16-eichen.com/
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Does Red Pierre (Red Eden, Eric Tabarly) smell of myrrh? I was sent a wrong plant instead of Reine Victoria, and Red Pierre is alphabetically close enough to be likely. However it isn't climbing yet, and it smells like an Austin.
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Reply #1 of 4 posted 27 MAR 09 by  Cass
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Margaret, mine is not all that fragrant. It doesn't climb on arching canes but rather is more of a tall pillar, growing straight upright on stiff canes.
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I saw (and smelled) it few days ago at a retailer, and it had very good pure rose fragrance, maybe not the strongest ever but with a very nice "Papa Meilland" tone in it...
I don't remember it having any particular myrrh smell, which I don't like so much.
Here in Italy it seems able to properly open its flowers, as far as I know.
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Reply #3 of 4 posted 10 JUL 09 by jeffcat
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I have a Red Eden that I bought as a potted Star Rose this spring. What a GORGEOUS rose! It most definitely has a scent. I describe it as an Old Rose fragrance with slight sweet tea undertones in it. It isn't a spicy scent. The scent is definitely not strong. On a scale of 1-10, I would give it maybe a 5 in terms of strength, but it has a nice crisp distinct perfume to it. I would love it even if it smelled like manure though as the blooms are to die for.
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Reply #4 of 4 posted 24 FEB 10 by TLMKozak
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I agree that mine were also stiff upright canes and it was a lovely rose fragrance, sweet.
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I'd like to identify this rose.
I viewed it in a Garden of ah historic palace, here in Genova last May, and made these photos with my cellphone, a good one luckily. Of course it could also be a modern rose, as the garden has recently been replanted.
It has got greyish, foliage, with quite tiny leaflets. Flower are medium lilac pink with a very neat, regular, quartered rosette formation, gracefully arching and in small clusters. They open cupped, but soon become plane and finally domed. A really BEAUTIFUL flower formation. They're quite well represented in this photos, even if a bit overexposed. They've a very good if not overpowering fragrance, of alba/gallica type.
I don't know if it's recurrent or not, having seen in in May. It colud look quite like a damask, but leaflets are a bit too small and greyish. Indeed, foliage and branches tends even to a spinosissima appearance. A very interesting plant, with very old look but which could even be a modern one.
This year, I'm going to return in that garden... with a decent camera of course! If possible, I'd like to talk with the gardener for some infos (like where do they purchase roses for the garden :-) ). Other roses in the garden are some classic ancient varieties, like Cardinal de Richelieu, Centifolia muscosa, Alba maxima, Konigin von danemark, Maiden's Blush, and few Austins... they're generally labelled, but the one pictured isn't.
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Hi!
Could the rose you photographed be Blush Damask?
I have that one, and your photos look a lot like it.
Best wishes,
Brit in Norway
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Finally purchased two Fragrant Clouds, from two different nurseries to be sure that at least one was the right rose. :-))
They are in a 30cm container for now, planted in a very rich soil. The 1st I planted, from Peter Beales, arrived quite late for its bud development, with white elongated new growth... but after initial difficulties now is doing very very well, with extremely strong new basal growth, and not the smallest disease trouble. It has flowered already, two buds on the same branch, and other flowers are coming. The flower is like I espected to be: very big, with large thick petals; it has a beautiful form at every development stage, and when fully opened is very shapely, reminding the form of Peace.
Colour is a rich, full coral/geranium red, almost a pure vivid red, but not a harsh one. I expected it to have a little more orange in its colour composition, but I know it's very difficult to make good pictures of this variety. After the 1st two days from the opening, it begins to slowly fade off, although in a pleasant and natural way, tending to a slightly duller and lighter red, finally getting some purple overtones.
It appears to be very long lasting, with a drawback: its extremely rich, powerful spiced damask fragrance, which is really spectacular and heavenly the first 3 days from the opening (it's quite like "Double Delight", but two or three times stronger!), fades off along with the red colour, ending in an almost scentless flower just before petals fall! However, when it opens it's just one of the most fragrant roses I ever smelled, and that's enough for me, given also the fact that roses with this colour are usually not fragrant at all...
Another small drawback: external petals usually bear irregular green splashes and lines, as you can also see in many photos on this site. However, this green splashes have got very little influence on flower's beauty, when those gorgeous buds open.
The second plant, coming from Kordes more late in the season but at a proper dormient stage, is also doing quite well and is opening her 1st bud, which appears to be completely the same of the other one. It had very slight mildew issues, which I arrested with some systhemic fungycide spraying. Now I expect from it the same very vigorous new basal growth of the other...
Update: flowers are coming in large number now, both singly and in large trousses, like a grandiflora: in this case, they are obviusly a bit smaller, but still beautifully formed, and with the same wonderful fragrance, which now I find to have also a little lemony tone in it. Both plants are growing extremely strongly, with large and beautiful foliage. Of course, I did put LOADS of food when I planted them ;-) .
This is the better picture I managed to get of a bud... I will try again :-))
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