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Lyn G 
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Ah, Peace, a real love it or hate it rose...for me both love and despise it. The good: Very bloomiferous. Fast repeating for such huge luxurious blooms. Love the colouration. I've seen comments about lack of fragrance but i disagree, it may not have powerful perfume but what it has is a delicious tea scent. Reasonably hardy by H.T. standards. Blooms through care and neglect..found a bagged rose once sitting around nelected for who knows how long with 2 spindly new canes growing with buds forming. This rose wants to bloom! Now the bad: BLACKSPOT...as bad as the rose wants to bloom it wants to blackspot...aargh! Go ahead throw all you got at it. Still finds a way to suffer blackspot. And badly. If you can keep the B.S. away, then youve got a winner. Hope you have better luck than I've had.
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Reply #1 of 4 posted 5 JUN 07 by NewsView
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I noticed that some roses smell best when they are new. My Peace roses, of which I own three, don't have much of a scent in the beginning but they begin to have a stronger fragrance as the bloom ages. Has anyone else noticed this? The other observation is that my three Peace bushes sometimes look identical to Garden Party. I know they are relatives, but are they supposed to be that hard to tell apart? My Garden Party has more yellow coloration than my Peace blooms do!
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Reply #2 of 4 posted 5 JUN 07 by Lyn G
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You have to stop and think about "why" roses have scent. It's not to please us gardeners, but to attract pollenators so that the plant can continue the species. With some roses, the scent is strongest early in the day. With other roses, the scent is stronger as the blooms age enough to open further to attract insects to pollenate the rose. Others, the scent is stronger when the temps are higher. In other words, it varies by individual cultivar. I have some rose in my garden the I think don't have any scent at all, but tell that to the bees.
Smiles,
Lyn
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Reply #3 of 4 posted 6 JUN 07 by NewsView
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Yes, and speaking of bees it is VERY alarming that colony collapse disorder is now hitting bee colonies worldwide. I hope they get to the bottom of this mystery bee killer. Up to 80-90 percent of beekeepers' colonies are gone in my area, and since CA is a leading agriculture state that’s a real problem. It’s to the point where pollinating the tree nut crops, among other agricultural uses, may be threatened. Price hikes on produce, among other things, will result if this keeps up. Our entire food supply, including livestock feed, depends on pollination, chiefly from European bees. Strangely, the mainstream media has not picked on this story to the extent it deserves. I myself have personally observed 100s of bees dead and dying along a one mile path I like to walk, not once but three times in the past four months. I've lived in the area for over 30 years, and I have never seen anything like it. I've also noticed fewer bees in my garden, which exceeds 50 roses. In some countries systemic pesticides are banned due to the harsh effects on pollinators and other beneficial insects, and last I heard bee experts are zeroing in on nicotine-based pesticides as a potential culprit.
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The culprit is most likely Monsanto from Missouri.
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Rose Listing Omission
Star of the Sea
I don't know the breeder's name or other details of this one, except that it's a new release from Ross Roses, South Australia. Photo in autumn, colour distorted by artificial light.
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I guess yellow and shrub! I'll email to ask them for more details.
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Reply #3 of 5 posted 6 APR 12 by Lyn G
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I didn't see it on their website, but the search only included modern roses.
Smiles,
Lyn
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I'd guess they've been too busy to update the website. It's a modern Aus-bred.
Cheers,
Margaret
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From Andrew Ross: Star of the Sea is a Philadelphia seedling but I will have to find exact parentage. From memory it was Philadelphia (seed) and a unnamed yellow pollen parent. Breeder was George Thomson and it is a Hybrid Tea growing around 1.5m tall. Slight fragrance and average health. TOMsea.
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Margaret, I have replied to you under the 'Star of the Sea' rose.
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I discovered a single bush of this rose thriving in a very shady part of Queen's Park, Invercargill, New Zealand (not in either of the rose gardens within the park). It was blooming nicely in early autumn. I'm suggesting it must have good shade tolerance.
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On your suggestion, I've added 'shade tolerant' to this rose. Thanks Keith for your observations.
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Reply #2 of 5 posted 24 MAR by Lyn G
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Eric and Patricia.......
Let's slow down here.
Eric, I honestly believe the rose you found in the shade is not 'Soroptimist International'. That rose has far more yellow, orange and red tones and even growing in shade would probably never have the almost lavender tones shown in your photo, so I think the rose in Queen's Park may be mislabeled.
A little history may help support the possibility of a mislabeled rose. In his early years of breeding and introducing roses to commerce, many of Frank's roses were never introduced in the US but were introduced in New Zealand, Australia and South Africa. Although Frank bred some very successful roses that were introduced in the US market and registered with the American Rose Society, these earlier roses were never registered. I have found very little documentation of these roses.
I did a quick run through of the roses we have listed as bred by Frank and have a couple of other candidates for the possible identification of the rose (any of these roses could fade to the color shown in the photo):
Moon River (miniature, Benardella 1997)
http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.20720.0&tab=1
first sold in NZ 1994
Orchid Lace
http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.22442.0
Pearl (mini, Benardella, 1996)
http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/pl.php?n=24980
The Australian patent date precedes the US patent date
It's possible you may find better documentation than I have found. Could you check ?
Smiles,
Lyn
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I wasn't familiar with this cultivar at all, so I was guided purely by the labelling (wish I had photographed it) which gave the impression the rose might have been donated by the Soroptimist International organisation.
In uploading the photo and commenting on the shade tolerance, I was conscious of the difference in colour difference from the other examples on HMF, but put it down to fading which I still think is quite possible. The poor light in which the photo was taken may also be a factor. Of your alternative suggestions, Lyn, I don't think it is 'Moon River' and I can't comment on 'Orchid Lace' because there are no photos available. 'Pearl' is a possibility.
I have emailed the Queen's Park rose curator with links to this site and discussion. It will be interesting to hear any opinion or reasoning he might have.
Cheers
Keith (not Eric! :-)
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Reply #4 of 5 posted 25 MAR by Lyn G
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Ooops.... sorry Keith.
Thank you for following up with Queen's Park.
Yes, it is possible that the hue in the photo is due to shade and lighting, but I am hoping it is one of the roses that were introduced in your part of the world and never seen in the U.S.
I do know that many of Frank's roses were used in the florist trade and were never available to the general public, but finding information about them isn't all that easy.
Smiles,
Lyn
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I have received the following email reply from Robin Pagan, Parks Manager, Invercargill City Council: "Thank you for your enquiry regarding the rose 'Soroptimist International' growing in Queens Park Invercargill. The rose was supplied and donated by the the local Soroptimist Club. I am sorry we don't know which grower they got it from."
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Is HMF correct in listing CHEworangedawn and CHEwba as the same rose with the marketing names 'Orange Dawn' and 'Lady Barbara'?
New Zealand nurseries D & S Roses and Southern Roses both market these as two separate climbers: 'Sundancer' and 'Lady Barbara' respectively.
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Reply #1 of 9 posted 23 JAN 12 by Lyn G
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Thank you for the heads-up. We have separated the roses and now show them as two unique roses in the HMF database.
Smiles,
Lyn
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Reply #2 of 9 posted 23 JAN 12 by Tomartyr
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Wonderful! If it's any help, the photos contributed by rosenschule ruf and CatsAndRoses appear to be CHEworangedawn; those contributed by freiburgbalkon and MargJH are, I think, CHEwba.
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Reply #3 of 9 posted 23 JAN 12 by Lyn G
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Yes, I've already contacted HMF Admin to reassign the photos.
We'll get it right.
Thank you for your help.
Smiles,
Lyn
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Hello,
when i bought this rose online at Rosen Union, it's name was Lady Barbara/Orange Dawn.
I think my pictures are wrong here, my rose never looked like the latest photos from Tomartyr. Or his photo ist wrong here?
Anyway, the rose grows in the garden of my husbands aunt, and it's higher than 4 meters, width about 2,5 meters.
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Reply #5 of 9 posted 6 APR by jedmar
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'Lady Barbara' and 'Orange Dawn' are two different roses. The former is no longer on the website of Rosen-Union. They must have mixed them up.
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Hello
than my pictures are wrong here, could you please put them to the Orange Dawn-Pictures? I can't do that, because I don't have these pictures anymore.
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Reply #8 of 9 posted 6 APR by jedmar
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Pictures reassigned
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How is it known that this rose is hardy to zone 4b? HMF only shows it being grown and sold in warmer climates?
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