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Lyn G
most recent 4 NOV SHOW ALL
Initial post 6 JUL 09 by John Moody
This Renaissance rose is described as a HT and as a FL on th "Plant" title page for it. Which variety is it?? Does it prefer to bloom in clusters or singles?
Reply #1 of 3 posted 6 JUL 09 by Lyn G
Interesting question, since both parent roses are classified as floribunda roses. However, all of the REFERENCES list the rose as a HT. None of the REFERENCES describes its blooming habit.

Reply #3 of 3 posted 4 NOV by Michael Garhart
Very similar to Lord Mountbatten or Wild Blue Yonder in plant architecture, bloom size, plant size, and sprays.
Reply #2 of 3 posted 18 JUN 10 by a_carl76
Seems to be better classed as a Hybrid Tea rather than a Floribunda. I get a few clusters but a lot of the blooms are born single. Not real tall for me (mine are grown on their own roots) and might be classed as a Floribunda for that reason and because of the bloom form. The blooms are not as formal as most modern Hybrid Tea. Just my opinion. Very nice rose regardless of how it is classed.
most recent 30 OCT SHOW ALL
Initial post 7 JAN 12 by Drasaid
Oh come ON! We WAAAANNNT we want it! We Wants It NOW!
dang it is so purple
Reply #1 of 13 posted 7 JAN 12 by Lyn G
Did you click the BUY FROM tab on the rose page ? It is commercially available.

Reply #2 of 13 posted 7 JAN 12 by Drasaid
Alas, not from Rogue Valley Roses. Or at least not from their website. I'll give them an email, perhaps they do not have it up yet.
Reply #3 of 13 posted 8 JAN 12 by Lyn G
That's a good idea. Many nurseries have not updated their inventories for 2012.

Reply #4 of 13 posted 8 JAN 12 by Landperson
And some nurseries' inventories change daily
Reply #5 of 13 posted 8 JAN 12 by Drasaid
Well, I suppose I assumed that nursery employees were not as apt as others (i.e. me) to still be either carousing or recovering from said carousing and failing to update their website. Fatal Mistake!
In New Orleans, from whence I came, carousing will continue for some time, until Ash Wednesday. Christmas runs into New Year and into Epiphany, with Revillon dinners running into King Cake Season to Mardi Gras Ball schedules to Carnival parades, right into the cold hard day that is Ash Wednesday. So websites never get updated till Lent . . . .
so I should not be annoyed at Rogue Valley Roses for not satisfying my Purple Poodle lust posthaste.
damn pretty rose though
Reply #7 of 13 posted 1 FEB 12 by Barden, Paul
This variety is currently in production and will not be available until 2013, sorry!
Reply #6 of 13 posted 1 FEB 12 by Barden, Paul
Nooooo! It is NOT yet available to buy, and won't be until at the earliest, 2013. Please note: "Purple Poodle" was just a study name; that will not be its commercial name once released.
Reply #8 of 13 posted 1 FEB 12 by Drasaid
Thank you for breeding it. I used to own Pink Poodle and loved its dark stamens and unique form, thinking that was not reproducible . . . wrong!
Consider a New Orleans carnival name. That rose is as Mardi Gras as it gets. Thanks again.
Reply #9 of 13 posted 1 FEB 12 by Barden, Paul
Hi Sarah,
A name has already been chosen and submitted to the registrar and has been accepted: it is now known as Carolyn Supinger, named, of course, for Ralph Moore's manager at Sequoia Nursery, and a very dear friend of mine.

Reply #10 of 13 posted 29 DEC 13 by redwolfdoc
Hello! Has this rose become commercially available yet? Such a gorgeous colour!
Reply #11 of 13 posted 29 DEC 13 by Barden, Paul
Contact Rogue Valley Roses to inquire about availability: it may be ready for sale in Spring 2014.

Reply #12 of 13 posted 29 DEC 13 by redwolfdoc
Thank you!
Reply #13 of 13 posted 30 OCT by Barden, Paul
Rogue Valley Roses will NOT be introducing this rose, as it has lost all inventory of it (October 2017). I doubt this rose will ever be commercially introduced, sadly.
most recent 14 SEP HIDE POSTS
Initial post 11 SEP by fleur44
Hi is Gruss au Achen in the help me find list? I need to know what type it is for a rose show
Reply #1 of 11 posted 11 SEP by Andrew from Dolton
Hello fleur44,
You need to spell it properly, the search/lookup can be brutal if you don’t, ‘Gruss an Aachen’. It is listed as a Floribunda, Hybrid Tea, Polyantha, take your pick!
Reply #2 of 11 posted 11 SEP by jedmar
The ARS has it as a Floribunda
Reply #3 of 11 posted 11 SEP by Andrew from Dolton
Raised in 1909, isn’t that a bit early for a floribunda?
Reply #4 of 11 posted 11 SEP by Patricia Routley
Yes. Modern Roses 1 in 1930 classified it as a polyantha. The floribundas came on to the market in the 1930s and by 1952 Modern Roses 4 decided that it looked like a floribunda and so changed their classification. I think David Austin thought it was the epitome of what he wanted his English roses to look like.
Reply #5 of 11 posted 12 SEP by Andrew from Dolton
Its ancestors are a hybrid perpetual and hybrid teas. To me, it seems strange to classify a rose by what it looks like rather than what it actually is, but I’m sure the great and good at the ARS know what they are doing. It is a lovely rose.
Reply #6 of 11 posted 13 SEP by Lyn G
Andrew ... a couple of comments:

For the SEARCH feature, if one is uncertain of the spelling of a rose, you can use the drop down list and enter one of the other choices to search the database.

As for 'Gruss an Aachen' being classified as a floribunda ... it was the first rose to receive that classification from the ARS. It didn't quite fit the polyantha classification.
Reply #7 of 11 posted 13 SEP by Andrew from Dolton
When I type in a name to search the only other names that appear in the drop down list are roses that I have searched and looked up before. If I spell the name incorrectly, (as I often do as I’m a rubbish speller), Gruss au Achen for example all I get is the “We did not find any plants matching your search name” etc. I expect it is me doing something wrong!
Reply #8 of 11 posted 13 SEP by Patricia Routley
If you searched for 'Gruss au Achen' as you spelt it, then the database sometimes will not find this incorrectly spelt rose. (Miraculously, sometimes it does.) Instead of searching with BEST MATCHES, try searching with CONTAINS, and just ask for one word, in this case either Gruss, or Aachen. Then you will have no problem.
Reply #9 of 11 posted 14 SEP by Andrew from Dolton
Ah yes, that works, thank you Patricia.
Changing the subject, I just managed to order a plant of Rosa x micrgosa ‘Alba’ from Beales before they sell out (as they quickly do), I am very excited about this rose!
Reply #10 of 11 posted 14 SEP by Lyn G
Andrew ... at the left of the SEARCH field, you will see an arrow for a drop down menu.

As Patricia suggested, you can search using BEGINS WITH, CONTAINS (my favorite) or ENDS WITH.

So for ‘Gruss an Aachen’, you could do any of the three following searches, or any variation as long as you have at least three characters ...




Of course, you can add or delete letters and don't have to do the exact searches I've listed above.
Reply #11 of 11 posted 14 SEP by Andrew from Dolton
Thank you very much Lyn.
most recent 7 SEP HIDE POSTS
Initial post 5 SEP by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
As a drought-tolerant rose, Miracle on the Hudson doesn't like wet potting soil and acidic rain. Saw a bunch of them in pots at Home Depot with lowest leaves turn yellow from weeks of spring rain. Rain in Chicagoland has pH 4.5, versus 5.6 on the West Coast.
Reply #1 of 10 posted 5 SEP by Lyn G
In my opinion, such broad generalizations such as the definition of the ph of rain on the West Coast is more misinformation than information. It's a BIG West Coast.
Reply #2 of 10 posted 6 SEP by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Here's the government link where I get the data of pH of rain across USA - long list of specific pH for specific region. pH of 5.6 for the West coast is Wikipedia's generalization, NOT mine. Best to argue with Wikipedia directly.
Reply #3 of 10 posted 6 SEP by Lavenderlace
Thanks for posting that great link! Do they update it every year or is it a fairly stable estimation of every year? It might explain why I can get a huge amount of rain and my roses look happier, but over-watering with my own well water can make them look sad. Interesting data to ponder in any case!
Reply #4 of 10 posted 6 SEP by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
The link I posted previously is the latest-data composed by government in 2001 to the pH of rain across U.S.A. For a better map of acid-rain across U.S.A., shaded by different colors to show pH range dated in 1994, see below link. With more industrialization in recent years, the pH range would be more acidic than what's compiled in 1994.

My alkaline clay is a good buffer against acid-rain. In my garden-walkway, where I dumped coarse sand on top of alfalfa hay, the acid rain "melted" the fine-sand particles (they disappeared, even with a dozen bags of sand), what's left are tiny colorful pebbles that were in bagged coarse sand. Acid-rain converted hard-minerals into SOLUBLE fertilizer and the weeds went crazy in that sandy-walkway. I dumped the sub-yellowish clay plus rocks (dug below 2 feet) at the end of my garden .. I don't even bother rake it, or smooth it out. After a few months, the acid rain smoothened that out into a flat surface, but no weeds can grow in such heavy bad-clay. Amazing how acid-rain can flatten out lumpy rock-hard-clay, as well as making sand-particles disappear. That explains why Val who works for a rose-nursery in Florida plant roses a few inches. above ground, since the sand sinks down with acid-rain-erosion.
Reply #5 of 10 posted 6 SEP by Lavenderlace
Super info, thanks for posting!

By the way, pretty sure that Jim in PA, has posted some marvelous pictures of MotH. I think he's in Z5 or 6 but it's very rainy there. Maybe he'll see this and chime in because he's definitely figured out how to grow this rose!
Reply #6 of 10 posted 6 SEP by Lyn G
Straw ...

I am not arguing with anyone. I am speaking from experience. I know the ph in both my soil and water in my southern California garden was very different that what I now have in my garden in the mountains of northern California.

I think you are smart enough and know enough about roses that you can use good judgment to determine whether or not you should post a generalization like this, no matter what the source of information.

When a rose fails to thrive, there are often more than one variables at play that causes poor performance of the plant. Ph is only one variable. In your garden it may be a determining factor, but it's not a universal problem. Many roses can tolerate a wide range of ph and thrive quite well as long as they get the other resources they need to thrive.

I can understand why you focus so much on ph, but I think it's important that you evaluate the data you share more carefully.
Reply #7 of 10 posted 6 SEP by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Lyn: The info. I shared above took me at least 1 hour of research, I posted that 1st in Organic Rose forum years ago, others from South Africa, Pakistan, and Canada also contributed to that shared experience on acidic rain. It's more useful to honestly share about one's roses than nit-picking & criticizing & lecturing and controlling others.

OWN-ROOT roses behave differently at different pH, versus grafted on SAME ROOTSTOCK such as Dr. Huey which likes alkaline. ROOTSTOCK customize roses to fit one's locality better. In my current alkaline clay, my 110+ varieties are all OWN-ROOTS (bred from different soil & climate), plus a few same varieties on Dr. Huey or Multiflora.

pH level is also a factor in rooting DIFFERENT roses from cuttings and in growing roses from seeds. The reason why I posted on this drought-tolerant rose in a wet & acidic pot is it gave me insight to root cuttings better during flash flood. I have been growing roses since my 20's, but didn't get into own-root roses until 7 years ago. I'm in mid 50's, have 30+ years of experience, and if I count roses from my last house of acidic clay (grafted on Dr. Huey), it's way over 150 varieties.

In 2011 Ingrid in Antique Rose forum was hurt in the same way by you, and now I am stabbed with your sarcastic knife under a friendly mask. I'm off the comment section for good, but still post pictures in HMF (that's safe from nit-picking). My purpose of posting is to cheer & support & appreciate others & share my locality & help cold-zoners, but I still get lectured & criticized and lost sleep over this last night. There's a difference between honest sharing about one's roses, versus your domination and control. NOT WORTH IT.
Reply #8 of 10 posted 6 SEP by Patricia Routley
There isn't a sarcastic sliver in Lyn's very friendly face! She is an extremely valued HelpMeFind administrator who devoted years to helping others to grow roses. I really hope that you mean you are off HelpMeFind for good.
Reply #9 of 10 posted 6 SEP by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
I know Lynn since 2011 .. used to chat with her weekly via e-mail & in forums. Yes, I'm off for good & you get your wish. You gave me great idea NOT to post anything in HMF, including pictures. Praise God for this incident, it's to my advantage to be off: more time with family & true friends. Now I understand why people give info. in forums, but not in HMF.
Reply #10 of 10 posted 7 SEP by Give me caffeine
Well, I suppose we can call today the Last Straw.
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