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Initial post 10 AUG 13 by Rockhill
Extract from Sweet, 18390, which shows China as place of origin for R. indica odorata v. flavescens.
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 15 AUG by CybeRose
In the terminology of the time, a seedling was considered to be a "variety" of the parent. And thus of the same "nationality". Unless the seedling was an obvious hybrid.

Also, Loudon (Hortus Britannicus, p. 211. 1830) gave 1821 as the date of introduction for 'flavescens Hort.'
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Initial post 5 JUL by Patricia Routley
HelpMeFind currently has a date of <1829, which is 256 years later than 1573.
That's in my too-hard basket.
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 5 JUL by Rockhill
I would not rely on any Komlosy dates, Patricia, he's not a model of accuracy.
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 6 JUL by Patricia Routley
OK. Thanks Hillary.
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PhotoDiscussion id : 102-024
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Initial post 5 JUL by Patricia Routley
Perhaps it might be 'Prince Albert' (bourbon, Fontaine/Paul, 1852)? If you agree, Hillary, you could move the illustration:
click on REASSIGN (top left) / PLANT / CONTINUE / type in ....Prince Albert.... / and just follow the prompts. We can do it for you if you prefer.
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 5 JUL by Rockhill
Will look at this later today, Patricia.
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PhotoDiscussion id : 101-959
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Initial post 4 JUL by scvirginia
I wonder if Americaine was meant to be the rose's name? If so, I think 'America', the Noisette bred by Page c.1859 would provide a much better fit for the illustration and the description than 'Belle Americaine'.

Have a look to see what you think:
http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.45144

Best regards,
Virginia
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Reply #1 of 4 posted 4 JUL by jedmar
Yes, the drawing is definitely not of a Damask Perpetual, but could be a Tea Noisette.
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Reply #2 of 4 posted 5 JUL by Rockhill
Thank you for the information, Virginia. 'America', Page/Ward, 1859, does seem to be very like Komlosy's 'Americaine'. The parentage of 'Solfatare' x 'Safrano' also fits. In the accompanying text, 'Americaine' is said to belong to the Group Rosa Moschata, that it originated in North America and was grown in France.
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Reply #3 of 4 posted 5 JUL by scvirginia
I'm so glad that you're uploading these beautiful illustrations.

Thanks,
Virginia
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Reply #4 of 4 posted 5 JUL by Rockhill
They're difficult to scan as they have cream to fawn-tinted backgrounds but have tried as best I can to adjust the colours to match the Edberg versions.
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