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Initial post 4 JAN 07 by Michael Garhart
  • Parentage: (Anytime X Liverpool Echo) X [(Flamenco X Rosa Bella) X Baby Love]


    Bred by Horner, not Carruth. aka HORcoffitup

    Reply #1 of 3 posted 9 JAN 07 by Cass
    Thanks, I'll change this. Your source so I can add a reference? The code name is some kind of message.

    By the way, have you used to check patents? The transcription can be a little sketchy, but it's easier to read for these tired eyes. Are you reading patent applications now?
    Reply #3 of 3 posted 1 JAN by Michael Garhart
    Sorry I missed this question. I use multiple resources for patents, although I have slowed down considerably, considering most useful ones have been read through by now.
    Reply #2 of 3 posted 9 JAN 07 by Cass
    Now I see this rose listed with the British name, Celebration 2000. The parentage is noted there. It will be fixed.
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    Initial post 29 NOV 06 by jedmar

    George C. Thomas lists a

    "CL. WINNIE DAVIS. (CL.HT.) California Rose Co. 1913.

    Light salmon-pink in center, edges cream-flesh; large, fairly full. Strong grower. Good foliage."


    Source: "Roses for All American Climates", New York 1924, p. 164

    Reply #1 of 2 posted 1 DEC 06 by Cass
    This rose has been added. The introducer will be completed when more is known about California Rose Co.
    Reply #2 of 2 posted 1 OCT by CybeRose
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    Initial post 4 JAN 10 by Jeff Britt
    It would be interesting to know more about the discovery of this rose. It certainly doesn't look like a tea, but it's hard to know what to think based on only a photograph.
    Reply #1 of 2 posted 4 JAN 10 by Cass
    I agree. Doesn't look like a Tea based on the leaf shape, although it could be an early HT.
    Reply #2 of 2 posted 21 AUG by Michael Garhart
    Only the blooms look tea-like to me, and some of the stems. The foliage looks heavily "Old French OGR" descended. It looks mixed indica/ogr to me, too.

    Is it possible that another rose is being circulated as the original?
    most recent 27 JUN SHOW ALL
    Initial post 6 MAR 09 by John Moody
    I am getting conflicting reports on this rose. Is it a floribunda, grandiflora, or hybrid tea rose???
    I love the color of the photos, and most of the pictures look to have more the form of a floribunda rather than a hybrid tea or grandiflora.
    Reply #1 of 4 posted 7 MAR 09 by Cass
    If Kordes would register it, you would have the straight info. Unfortunately, it's sold within different classes in different parts of the world.
    Floribunda in UK
    Floribunda at Palantine Roses in Canada
    Hybrid Tea in South Africa
    Grandiflora at the ARS
    Reply #2 of 4 posted 24 OCT 12 by mtspace
    It really doesn't fit very well with our typical idea of the high-centered hybrid tea rose. Nor does it send up long, tall cutting canes typical of many hybrid tea roses. Its flowers occur in small clusters of three to seven or so. It tends to repeat-flower more often than most hybrid teas, in my experience. It seems more vigorous than most hybrid tea roses I have grown, too. I think of it as a floribunda with large flowers; and it really fits into the garden best on those terms. Its flowers are quite bright and it needs to be sited accordingly. One of my favorites.
    Reply #3 of 4 posted 27 JUN by Philip_ATX
    I don't believe the category of "Grandiflora" exists outside the U.S., so it makes sense that it falls on one side or the other of that category (HT or Flor.) in other countries. I don't grow it, however, so I cannot speak from experience to its form.
    Reply #4 of 4 posted 27 JUN by mtspace
    The "Grandiflora" class has always seemed ridiculous to me. The whole idea of floribundas, IMO, is to combine the large flowers of hybrid tea roses with the floral generosity, cold hardiness, and shrubby habits of polyanthas. Every plant in the class necessarily posesses a combination of traits that lies somewhere in between. I will confess that I have viewed the grandiflora class as a kind of catch-all for roses that fail to have the shrubby and hardiness qualities of floribundas while also failing to make flowers the size of hybrid tea roses.

    To the extent my prejudice is justified, lumping South Africa with such roses understates its qualities materially. It is as generous in flower as a good floribunda, Cherry Parfait. And as well branched. It tolerates late spring freezes better than any HT bred outside Germany, IME. Its flowers are as big as those of many hybrid tea roses. I even love the foliage. Its frame and its flowers are largish for a floribunda. Coming in at five or six feet in each direction it might better be described as a shrub. Its biggest drawbacks: The flowers are not notably fragrant, and they don't last longer than about two or three days on the plant. Of the 200 + roses in my garden I cannot think of a rose I've been less tempted to replace with something else, except, perhaps, Malvern Hills.
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