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Cass 
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Initial post 7 FEB by Cass
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Now closer to maturity, Sophia Renaissance produces new canes that grow up to the 12 foot eaves of my house. The plant has shocking disease resistance in my garden. I never see foliage or cane disease.
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This rose was discovered by Helga Brichet in1997/1998 in a group of Mutabilis while she was judging at a rose show in Bermuda
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Mutabilis produces similar looking seedlings when allowed to self pollinate.
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And it produces hips very freely indeed, at least in my garden.
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Reply #3 of 5 posted 31 OCT 09 by Cass
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Thanks. I've corrected the HMF listing.
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This rose is a sport of 'Mutabilis', not a seedling.
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Reply #5 of 5 posted 10 JAN by jedmar
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So far, Purple Heart is my favorite of the Weeks Roses line or purple roses. Unfortunately, it is not as purple as some of the others. However, it wins in its vigor, health, repeat bloom abundance and fragrance. The color is quite unusual. In the spring, it is purple. In the summer, it is hot violet. In the fall, it is violet marred purple (looks kinda cool lol). Also, I like the size of the large clusters and they way the plant displays them.
If one is looking at this then Im sure they have considered the other Weeks Roses purple line, too. My preference is as follows:
Purple Heart
Ebb Tide (if it had more vigor, it'd be #1)
Wild Blue Yonder
Night Owl
Midnight Blue (hates the the heat or it'd be farther up)
Outta the Blue (I dug this one up. It was a disaster)
Neptune (mildew AND blackspot...gorgeous blooms on a disease magnet...sad)
Please note that this is my opinion and based on my zone of Oregon 8b/Portland Metro.
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What was the problem with 'Outta the Blue' Michael?
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Other than I thought it was beyond ugly (mostly magenta w/ some pale yellow), It's growth was awkward and it got some BS. I just found i aesthetically displeasing all around.
I did grow some seedlings from it. They acted weird. When they got water on their foliage (was about 10 seedlings), they'd defoliate. I never understood why, either.
In relative terms, I find the other purple blends better. But other than that, I really disliked it a lot. I do wish, however, that some day a purple/yellow or mauve/yellow bicolor shrublet or floribunda will be created on something healthy (and not magenta).
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Funny you should say this Michael as 'Outta the Blue' was recommended to me. I've never cared for it as much as others of this series. I have to say that 'Purple Heart' was really dreadful here, though it could be I didn't have it placed correctly or perhaps didn't give it enough of a chance. 'Midnight Blue' is actually good here but it does take a long time to cycle between flushes and the blossoms hold up best with some afternoon shade like most dark roses.
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Reply #4 of 15 posted 24 MAR 08 by Cass
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It seems that Carruth's Blue Roses are climate dependent. How else could these roses be so different in three different gardens?
I don't love the yellow centers of Outta the Blue, but they disappear in a morning. The plant reblooms like Iceberg, every 5 weeks, and it's large and healthy, with interesting disease-free foliage. Midnight Blue blooms all the time, judging from the hips, but the blooms last until noon and then turn to ash. It blackspotted in a wet spring. Wild Blue Yonder is a very healthy plant, decent color but never mauve here: pink. It and Night Owl don' repeat well, altho I don't coddle. No one mentioned Blueberry Hill. It's a nice rose, altho the repeat isn't fabulous in either of my gardens.
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Thanks for your input Cass. I wont give up on 'Outta the Blue' just yet. 'Blueberry Hill' never moved me. Sounds like it's another case of location, location, location.
Personal taste also comes into play.
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I didn't mention Blueberry Hill because it is a more true mauve than a purple/red mauve.
It does well here, but I opted not to get it because it isnt fragrant (or as fragrant) as a mauve could be. The foliage has a neat texture. I already have Distant Drums which is the same size but extremely healthy here, fragrant and silvery mauve/russet/orchid blend. It's hard to compete with that for a spot in the garden!
I mentioned Neptune because it is bred from big Purple, like all of the ones I mentioned and it is half-way between silvery mauve and purple mauve.
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Cass -- you didn't mention Ebb Tide. Any thoughts on it?
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Reply #9 of 15 posted 31 MAR 09 by Cass
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Sorry, Jeff, I've never grown Ebb Tide. I have no love of floribundas or HT's, for that matter. If the plant isn't bushy and clothed right to the ground in nice foliage, I won't grow it. Pruning can only accomplish so much...
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Thanks for responding (and so quickly, too). I have a strong preference for shrub roses myself since I use them in my garden as flowering shrubs, not as "roses" per se. Formal rose gardens are fun to visit, but I have no interest in having one. That said, I demand a lot from roses: disease resistance, continuous or rapid rebloom, attractive foliage, beautiful flowers, preferably fragrant. I have a small garden, only 25' by 65', so I can't afford to waste space on anything that doesn't perform well, whether it's a rose or any other plant. That's why this site is such a help to me -- I get lots more information here than I can ever get from someone selling me something.
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Reply #15 of 15 posted 30 DEC by CarolynB
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QUOTE: "I demand a lot from roses: disease resistance, continuous or rapid rebloom, attractive foliage, beautiful flowers, preferably fragrant."
Jeff, I'm interested to know which roses you feel meet that group of requirements the best. Those are all requirements I like my roses to meet, too.
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I found Ebb Tide to be a very odd rose to grow here in my northwest Missouri zone 5b/6a. The Spring flush foundit to have very odd formed blooms. The petals were very diamond shaped and the blooms were small and pompon shaped with the funny petals. the following flushes in the late summer and fall were much better flowers all the way around, The flower petals were much more rounded and fatter thereby making a much better formed rose bloom. The fragrance was always outstanding though. Also the Fall flushes had lots more rose blooms as well. So, I pretty much use the spring flowers for breeding with and then I have the Fall flush to view the pretty flowers. I do love the dark purple color.
John
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I have a plant of Ebb Tide in my garden now. I couldn't resist. I left some comments about my experiences with in on the Ebb Tide pages, if you're interested.
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Reply #8 of 15 posted 31 MAR 09 by jedmar
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We tried a couple of Carruth's roses in Switzerland (Zone 7b). The most prolific bloomer was EbbTide (June-early July + end August-end October). Distant Drums also did well with June-early August + end of September, was a bit more prone to blackspot, however. Night Owl was next with a good June, very strong July and a couple of blooms mid October, behaving like a once-bloomer. Last was Midnight Blue in June and mid-end August. I can also confirm what Cass says, that her blooms do not last long at all.
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Reply #10 of 15 posted 31 MAR 09 by Cass
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Night Owl is a once bloomer here, too.
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I killed my Night Owl. It only had 2 bloom cycles. It grew extremely slow for a 3rd year climber, and the blooms were sparse. The color and health were good, however.
I replaced it with Oranges and Lemons, which acts like a short climber here. It blooms way more lol.
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Stiff, awkward, horizontal grower. This is not a shrub, as it requires support to get off the ground. An odd clone of this rose or perhaps oddly budded. Scent carries on the air. Fall flush really is good. Lovely in the Historic Rose Garden of the Old Sacramento City Cemetery.
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I have to second this post. Buff Beauty has been a rather troubled plant for me. It started out well and sent out two big new canes in its second year, but since then has only produced new growth from on top the existing canes. These canes have grown heavy and are as flexible as rebar, but are very productive with flowers. I wish it would produce new growth from the base without my having to whack back the existing canes to induce it. That said, I love the flowers, especially in the cool spring and fall weather when the colors are a rich orange-apricot. Definitely one of my favorite roses.
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I have to amend my comment from May of this year. I decided to lavish my Buff Beauty with more water and fertilizer this year and the results quite startled me. The first flush of bloom was as usual, starting around April 20 and carrying on for about five weeks. I dead-headed the flowers, fertilized and watered heavily and BOOM! The plant has thrown out new growth all over the place and sent out a several whopping new canes. Its second flush of blooms started to open this week and there are probably twice as many buds this time as in April/May. There are a couple of huge panicles of buds (probably 20 - 30) and scores of the regular clusters (of about 5 - 9 buds), and the flowers are bigger, too. I am really surprised and delighted. At this rate, the fall flush of bloom should be beyond spectacular.
I guess I've learned that BB likes a bit more water and food than some other roses. I have Radox Bouquet planted nearby and it has received the same treatment. RB has been very productive this year, but hardly the transformed rose BB is. All I can say is WOW!
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Reply #3 of 4 posted 14 JUL 09 by Cass
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You've confirmed my impression of many roses raised in the UK: they love water.
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Later comer to this thread. Here, in Australia, my 'Buff Beauty' grows as a shrub. Its habit is typically hybrid musk-like in that it sends up canes from basal growth that grows up and then arches over. It doesn't get much water where it is either and needs to compete with a small tree adjacent to it for what water it gets. Terrfic health. Mine is grafted onto multiflora.
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