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Jean Marion
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Initial post 2 JUL 09 by Jean Marion
Does anyone know where the name El Catalá comes from?
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Reply #1 of 4 posted 2 JUL 09 by jedmar
El Català (note the direction of the accent) means the "Catalan" language in Catalan.
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Reply #2 of 4 posted 3 JUL 09 by Darrell
Couldn't it also mean "The Catalonian"?
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Reply #3 of 4 posted 3 JUL 09 by jedmar
I suppose it can!
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Reply #4 of 4 posted 15 OCT 22 by Estrafalario
Buck, the hybridizer of this rose, was a long time correspondent with the great Spanish rose grower, who inspired him to take on rose cultivation when Buck was in his teens. So a lot of Buck's roses have Spanish names in honor of that relationship.
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Initial post 15 JUL 22 by Garden Therapy
Hello!

I'm so excited to finally find a gardener from the Treasure Valley! I am an absolute novice gardener and I just recently moved to the area. I was wondering if you could please give me some advice on roses. I have a small sunny spot in my front yard and I'm looking for a small (preferably no larger than about 3-4 foot high) pink rose that blooms well in the heat. I have been scoping out the Julia Davis Rose Garden and I really love Tournament of Roses, Elle, and Sexy Rexy, but I'm a bit worried that they will get too big for my yard. I keep reading about how different climates affect how large roses grow. I have been drooling over your gorgeous photos and I was wondering if you have any recommendations?

Thank you so much!
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Reply #1 of 10 posted 15 JUL 22 by Jean Marion
Hi. Thanks for reaching out. Roses are a very fun hobby once you get the hang of it.

I have been gardening in the Treasure Valley since 1999. Back then Julia Davis Park was a site to behold; quite breathtaking. It is saddening to see what it has become in comparison now. We used to go there for date night, and one year with the kids to watch the fireworks on the 4th of July. I'm glad their roses inspire you today. Many of their older roses that have since been removed, inspired me way back when I was getting started.

There used to be many nurseries in the Treasure Valley that sold roses. Now, most of them have closed. If you want to purchase roses, April is usually the time to buy them at the nurseries. The hobby of growing roses isn't as hot as it used to be and you may have trouble finding roses that you see and think are pretty for sale. Generally I find roses for sale, and then research them to see how worthy they are. It's hard to do it the other way around these days.

In regards to your questions, Tournament of Roses was the rose of the year when it came out. It is a stellar rose. I have it right up front next to the sidewalk. As a grandiflora (tall roses) mine is currently 5½' tall, however it would be taller in my yard if it didn't get so much shade. I love it because the blooms last a very long time, both on the bush and in the vase. For me, longevity (on the bush) is the #1 most important thing. What good is having a beautiful rose if it only lasts 2 days? That's my opinion anyway. I don't care that it is not fragrant. ToR acts like a typical grandiflora. Several blooms at the end of one long cane here and there. It reminds me a lot of Queen Elizabeth which is a little bit more of a bluish pink, but the blooms don't last as long.

Of the baby pink roses, Sexy Rexy is my #1 fave pink. It has one of the highest ratings of All of the roses. As a parent it is amazing. {‘Fabulous!’ a floriferous pristine white rose that was also rose of the year, had Sexy Rexy and the famous 'Iceberg' as its parents.} Sexy Rexy was a name that made fun of a rosarian named Rex. Since it is a floribunda, it is supposed to be a round bush full of roses that stays short. It has always been around 4' here. (Floribundas are my fave type of rose. For a colorful garden they work great.) Now my poor SR did not bloom this year. Unfortunately I planted it under a cute tree way back that is now a monster, and SR is in complete 95% shade.

IdahoRoseLady used to grow Elle. She was a member of the Idaho Rose Society, but they moved down to Arizona where it is too hot for roses. Whenever I saw the rose at her house, or at a public rose garden I was not impressed. Yes, it won rose of the year, and if you just look at one bloom for a half hour you would see a pretty bloom. I see a pink that is too light, petals that are too thin, a bloom that is too small and blooms on the bush that don't age well. Again, just my opinion. It has a lot of favorite votes due to the shape of the bloom when it first opens. Not something that impresses me anyway.

You mentioned heat. Roses are not overly fond of heat. We get a spring flush when they all bloom at once, and then some of the more hardy ones might put out some blooms during the summer when we are in the 90ºs, but basically we are waiting again for it to cool down for the autumn flush that happens around Sept. In order to keep roses alive during the heat of the summer, they must be watered often. If they do bloom, the flowers will be smaller. That is due to the sun and heat. It doesn't mean there is anything wrong with the rose. It is trying its hardest. Do not fertilize during the heat of the summer; it will make them work too hard.

You mentioned worrying about how tall the rose gets. Make sure to put it at least 3' away from your house. If you prune it down at the beginning of each spring, if the rose is meant to be shorter, it should stay short. I allow many of my roses to grow taller, simply because they are near a backyard fence and it doesn't matter there so much. I just don't prune them in the spring and they continue to grow larger around and taller.

I used to purchase my new roses from www.heirloomroses.com. I have been to their place in Oregon and they really know their stuff. Of what they have available right now, in the pink category, I do see that they have Sexy Rexy. I would 100% recommend it for its color, height, and how much it blooms. (Takes a couple of years to reach full size though.) Now earlier this year I discovered that they are selling their 'in-stock' roses on Amazon. Although they are a higher price on Amazon, when you take into consideration the free shipping (with Prime), the roses are $10 less. Just an option if you have Prime.

Good luck in finding the perfect rose for your spot. If you find a rose to purchase, and aren't sure about what it is like, feel free to contact me. I have had many roses over the years, photographed many more, and have friends that have experienced growing others that I don't have. Yup, apparently I still like yapping about roses. :-)
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Reply #2 of 10 posted 15 JUL 22 by Garden Therapy
Oh my goodness, thank you for all this information! There is a Sexy Rexy at the rose park but it is just tiny and I did not know if it was mature or if it had been planted yesterday! I really appreciate your insight. I've moved Sexy Rexy to the top of my list now.

Thank you again for taking the time to type out your helpful comment!
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Reply #3 of 10 posted 16 JUL 22 by MADActuary
I'll second the choice of Sexy Rexy. I'd suggest getting three and planting them in a triangle about 16 to 18 inches apart. See the pic I posted of Sexy in Photos - it produces quite a display on a well-behaved 3 foot plant.
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Reply #4 of 10 posted 16 JUL 22 by Jean Marion
I like how you post pictures of the full bushes. Not many people do that here. Your Sexy Rexy bush is gorgeous! Your blooms are larger than mine, they must get much more sun. Nice to know SR does well in zone 5b.
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Reply #5 of 10 posted 16 JUL 22 by Garden Therapy
Just stunning! Thank you for the inspiration!
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Reply #6 of 10 posted 17 JUL 22 by Garden Therapy
Thanks for all of your help! Do you know if the rose Bonica gets tall in our area?
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Reply #7 of 10 posted 17 JUL 22 by Jean Marion
Bonica used to be the star of Julia Davis Park. Spread in a large border hedge from one side of the park to the other with an archway to enter the rose garden in between. You can see that picture I posted here with her in full bloom that shows what Bonica can look like when planted en masse. Another Rose of the Year winner when she came out.

I also posted a pic of her with the miniatures Lavender Crystal and What a Peach to show the size of the individual blooms. They were small. Her value is as a shrub rose covered in blooms. Each bloom smallish, but all together on the bush, quite a show.

I purchased her soon after seeing that display at the park. The rose bushes had most likely been there for more than 2 decades when I took that picture. I didn't realize that it would take many years for my bush to become that full. She remained the size of a miniature for me. (Around 2')

I had another baby pink miniature Baby Grand, in which the blooms lasted for a longer period of time and I thought they were more attractive. So I kept BG and Bonica went bye bye.

When I saw that all of the Bonica hedges had been ripped out of JD Park, I was heartbroken. Such a beautiful display only to be seen in pictures again.

Should you purchase Bonica? If you want a 2' - 5' hedge or grouping, she would be good. As a standalone rose, I would go with something with larger blooms that possibly last longer on the bush.
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Reply #8 of 10 posted 18 JUL 22 by Garden Therapy
Your pictures are so pretty! It's too bad about the hedge at the park. Thanks for answering!
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Reply #9 of 10 posted 18 JUL 22 by Jean Marion
Just wanted to mention in regards to Tournament of Roses. I'm not sure how tall it is down in Boise. I haven't been to the park for several years. I mentioned that my ToR is 5½' tall in the shade. I realized that it is that tall because I do not prune it in the spring. It is in the center surrounded by shorter roses. Kind of like the star of the show. So anyway, with regular annual pruning, it might very well be around 4' tall each year.
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Reply #10 of 10 posted 18 JUL 22 by Garden Therapy
Thanks for explaining. Goodness, there are so many pretty options! I'm going to have to find more space for these roses!
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most recent 16 JUL 22 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 16 JUL 22 by Jean Marion
Answer:

The mature plants of Sexy Rexy are about 3'ish.

The one you saw at Julia Davis park was probably planted last year or this year. They are trying to bring the park back to its former glory.
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 16 JUL 22 by Garden Therapy
Ah, that makes more sense! The ones at the park looked less than 1 ft high.

How long does the blooming last? Does it bloom for most of June?
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 16 JUL 22 by Jean Marion
The last several years as the weather gets warmer and warmer, winter ends earlier, the flowers bloom sooner, AND if summer comes early, the roses die in June, having only bloomed for a month or so. This happened in 2021.

It used to be (when weather was normal) the flowers would start blooming in May and throughout June (so about 6-7 weeks) until the heat in July killed most of them, (like this year). This has been the first 'normal' weather year in quite a while. The last several summers have been brutal on our poor roses. That's why a lot of mine are now in the shade, so that they bloom for a longer period of time.

There is a balance though. Roses need 6 hours of sun a day to really thrive. So as the summers have become more hot and dry, (drought is coming here) I try to give them morning sun and or put them in partially shady sun areas. I only put the older more established roses that can take anything in the hot southern or western sun. The roses that I have had for 20 years: Fragrant Cloud, Ingrid Bergman, Lavaglut, Fabulous!, Chicago Peace, Don Juan, Eureka - My roses that are huge and can take whatever mother nature throws at them.

Your new rose is going to be small. (Like the new ones at Julia Davis.) You will have to baby it the first year or two. The goal is to get it to grow taller and be stronger. Then around year 3, if all has gone well, you should really start to see the blooms be normal size and last longer. Planting it properly is very important, as is making sure it gets just the right amount of water the first year. Not too much, and not too little. If you are lucky, you can plant something around Sept of this year, and it will have the winter to grow roots underground, and be happy to start growing above ground next spring.

Roses take time and patience, but are well worth the wait!
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most recent 3 JUN 22 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 3 JUN 22 by Jean Marion
A beautiful survivor! (decobug)
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