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Jean Marion
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Initial post 26 MAY 05 by Jean Marion
I usually only have PM on a couple of roses... this year Distant Drums is covered from head to toe in blackspot. Very unusual for this locale. Had to shovel prune, although there is not another rose that looks quite like it out there...
Reply #1 of 9 posted 26 MAY 05 by Terre
Hello Decobug,
Can you tell me if your Distant Drums was grafted or an own-root plant? I test roses and have found the own-root Buck roses are far hardier than the grafted form. In fact, I don't know why the industry insists on putting hardy Buck roses on a graft. A breeder explained this rose was susceptible to disease as an own-root as a reason for the graft. Your experience makes it sound like that did not improve it's chances.
Thank you, Terre Ashmore
Reply #2 of 9 posted 26 SEP 11 by Organic Roses-Honeybee Garden
Terre, I have an own-root Distant Drums and it is exceptionally tiny and fragile. It keeps shedding and regrowing leaves at the exact same interval, hence its inabilty to get any larger. I call it a Bonsai rose....It is already in its 2nd year in my garden and it never grows beyond 11" tall and 6" wide, lol! But I would never SP it because of its fast rebloom and the flowers are consistently lovely....It is growing in a 4' long pot. The exact same sized pot that all my huge climbers grow separately in, but the climbers flourish and grow to the Max! Not so with Bonsai Distant Drums...

On the other hand, the grafted versions I've seen at a nearby all-organics city garden are grafted Distant Drums which are short and stubby 2'8" bushes. 2'8" is far better than my 11", lol!
Reply #3 of 9 posted 26 SEP 11 by Rupert, Kim L.
My old Arena budded plant grows in half day sun in Newhall, Ca in my youngest sister's back yard. It gets watered by the sprinklers and rain, is never sprayed nor even fertilized and it remains about three and a half feet tall by nearly as wide. This is an intensely fragrant, beautifully odd colored rose but definitely not a strong, robust grower in many areas of the country. Much like BUCblue, Blue Skies and Silver Shadows, Dr. Buck selected it for the flower color, NOT the health and vigor of the plant. He'd written he felt like Henry could have a rose in any color as long as it was pink. These were such dramatic departures from his body of work, he introduced them. There are MUCH better Buck roses to be had, but the vast majority are PINK.
Reply #4 of 9 posted 30 NOV by mamabotanica
Kim do you think in Pasadena ca that an own root distant drums would do ok? I have a spot saved for it at the dimensions listed (about 4x4) and am hoping it gets that size.just ordered it as own root because my local Armstrong (aren't all of their roses grafted?) won't have it for months.
Reply #5 of 9 posted 30 NOV by Rupert, Kim L.
As long as it isn't cooked by being too close to any hardscape and too long, too continuous very hot sun; is grown in decent soil and provided regular feeding and watered appropriately, it should grow acceptably. Of course, being set back by regular Chilli Thrip attacks is going to stunt its performance, so keeping as "on top" of them as you can will help. And, I would definitely dis bud it, prevent it from flowering much, until it achieves something close to what you want. The more wood and foliage the plant has, the greater the momentum to grow. You should also do what you can to encourage new basal growth so when you prune (which should probably be sparingly, until it's larger), more new growth is generated to maintain its size. Good luck!
Reply #6 of 9 posted 30 NOV by mamabotanica
Thanks much! I really appreciate all the info- esp to stay on top of thrips. Recently bought a sprayer and some deadbug juice just for that!
Reply #7 of 9 posted 30 NOV by Rupert, Kim L.
You're welcome! Good luck! Thank heavens I don't have them here. When they arrive, I'm done. That's too much work and too much exposure to chemicals I simply won't expose myself, pets and loved ones to. See if the own root plant works and whether it does or not, pick up a budded one when they are available. I think seeing the two close to each other will teach you much about the benefits of budding, particularly with weaker varieties.
Reply #8 of 9 posted 1 DEC by Robert Neil Rippetoe
Kim, Tom Carruth told me they were coming and yes, they are finally here.

It took me a few months to figure out what was happening. They seem to like some varieties much better than others. You KNOW I won't spray!!

I figure it will be a good opportunity to concentrate on breeding THRIP resistant varieties??

Looking online it seems there are a fair number of natural predators.

I had problems for years with Mites until a natural balance was established. Hopefully they same will hold true with our new friends the Chilli Thrip.

Life does go on. R-
Reply #9 of 9 posted 1 DEC by Rupert, Kim L.
Ouch, I'm sorry, Robert! Yes, that would permit you to see what resists them. I guess that's one sliver of a silver lining.
most recent 29 JUL 17 SHOW ALL
Initial post 12 AUG 05 by Jean Marion
Prone to blackspot in a non spray garden
Reply #2 of 11 posted 22 NOV 10 by HMF Admin
Thanks for sharing Jean.
Reply #3 of 11 posted 23 JUL 17 by jmile
Mine is a non spray garden and Blackspot doesn't seem to be a problem. It is in an area where the peacocks eat all of the lower leaves so maybe their cleanup is the answer.
Reply #4 of 11 posted 23 JUL 17 by HMF Admin
This is what HMF is all about: sharing our experience with each other for the betterment of all.

Thank you for your participation and your support!
Reply #5 of 11 posted 23 JUL 17 by Andrew from Dolton
I'll forget my spray programme and get some peacocks instead! ;-)
Reply #6 of 11 posted 24 JUL 17 by jmile
They are prettier and more fun than spraying. (all though they do like to eat flowers that they can reach too)
Reply #7 of 11 posted 24 JUL 17 by Margaret Furness
Just don't get guineafowl at the same time, if you value your sanity. They set each other off noise-wise.
Reply #8 of 11 posted 24 JUL 17 by Andrew from Dolton
I've worked at gardens with peacocks before and they are indeed beautiful but destructive, they seem to favour yellow flowers especially crocus and narcissus. They taste like dry tough old turkey, not worth eating. Guineafowl on the other hand are not so destructive to plants and are very adept at getting caterpillars and aphids. But, as Margaret says they do make the most awful racket, however they taste so delicious that compensates a little for their noisiness.
Reply #9 of 11 posted 29 JUL 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
I looked up Guinea fowl: "Guinea fowl, also known as pintade, faraona or African pheasant used to be a wild bird; it is now mostly farm-raised. With striking white spots on its gray feathers, a mature Guinea fowl will be similar in size to a pheasant, slightly smaller than a chicken." Pheasant meat is so sweet and yummy .. my brother hunts them in Michigan (on his 30+ acre land). My Mom made pheasant soup and it's much better than chicken.
Reply #10 of 11 posted 29 JUL 17 by Margaret Furness
Maggie Beer does some guinea fowl recipes. I threatened my neighbour with them, when her guinea fowl kept tapping on my windows at first light, and decorating my veranda.
Reply #11 of 11 posted 29 JUL 17 by Andrew from Dolton
I live in the middle of pheasant shooting estates these creatures are everywhere!, my neighbour's dogs are trained to pick up the birds that the guns have shot. Pheasant curry is very good, I also make snitzel, hammering out the breasts thinly and coating in bread crumbs - yum! From November to February there is always a brace of the hanging in my back porch.
most recent 25 MAY 16 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 25 MAY 16 by Lazy Rosarian
If you still grow John S Armstrong, could you tell me if it gets tall, 6-7 feet, and does it have leathery foliage? Also does it have 40 plus petals and stays red, ie it doesn't turn purplish like some reds tend to do. I am trying to replace a beautiful true red Hybrid tea that grew to over 6 feet, had no fragrance, had 40 plus petals and leathery foliage and stayed red (didn't turn purple when it aged. Thank you Margaret Lamb
most recent 29 NOV 15 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 29 NOV 15 by Jean Marion
David Austin launch three new English Roses at Chelsea
The three roses are ‘Sir Walter Scott’ (Ausfalcon) an Old Rose/Scottish Rose; ‘Desdemona’ (Auskindling) a Musk Hybrid and ‘Kelmscott’ (Ausoutcry) a Leander Hybrid.
Reply #1 of 2 posted 29 NOV 15 by Patricia Routley
Thanks Jean Marion, We have 'Sir Walter Scott' and 'Desdemona' listed.

Either 'The Ancient Mariner' (AUSoutcry) has a new synonym, or
'Kelmscott' has a different code name altogether.
I haven't as yet added 'Kelmscott' until further information comes in - I can't find anything about it at this stage.
Reply #2 of 2 posted 29 NOV 15 by Jean Marion
OK... thanks!
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