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Jean Marion [Decobug] 
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Thanks so much for posting a "full bush" shot! Helps so much to see the plant as well as individual blooms!
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Sure! Just keep in mind, some bushes will look different than others of the same cultivar because:
1) Some are pruned more heavily during the winter
2) Some have winter die back and only get so big
3) Some are babies and haven't matured yet
4) Some get more or less sun depending on the state and the position of the plant
This particular picture is of a mature plant at least 10 years old, which is in full sun and has minimal winter die back, and minimal winter pruning. So it might possibly be bigger than other plants of the same cultivar. But I like to think of it as what the plant 'could be' given all the best circumstances.
Thanks again!
Jean Marion
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 18 OCT 11 by Auntie_S
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Thanks for the info--I realize growing conditions, climate and care make a huge difference, but it is still nice to have some idea of a plant's potential, as you said.
Regards!
Sally
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I usually only have PM on a couple of roses... this year Distant Drums is covered from head to toe in blackspot. Very unusual for this locale. Had to shovel prune, although there is not another rose that looks quite like it out there...
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Reply #1 of 3 posted 26 MAY 05 by Terre
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Hello Decobug,
Can you tell me if your Distant Drums was grafted or an own-root plant? I test roses and have found the own-root Buck roses are far hardier than the grafted form. In fact, I don't know why the industry insists on putting hardy Buck roses on a graft. A breeder explained this rose was susceptible to disease as an own-root as a reason for the graft. Your experience makes it sound like that did not improve it's chances.
Thank you, Terre Ashmore
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Terre, I have an own-root Distant Drums and it is exceptionally tiny and fragile. It keeps shedding and regrowing leaves at the exact same interval, hence its inabilty to get any larger. I call it a Bonsai rose....It is already in its 2nd year in my garden and it never grows beyond 11" tall and 6" wide, lol! But I would never SP it because of its fast rebloom and the flowers are consistently lovely....It is growing in a 4' long pot. The exact same sized pot that all my huge climbers grow separately in, but the climbers flourish and grow to the Max! Not so with Bonsai Distant Drums...
On the other hand, the grafted versions I've seen at a nearby all-organics city garden are grafted Distant Drums which are short and stubby 2'8" bushes. 2'8" is far better than my 11", lol!
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My old Arena budded plant grows in half day sun in Newhall, Ca in my youngest sister's back yard. It gets watered by the sprinklers and rain, is never sprayed nor even fertilized and it remains about three and a half feet tall by nearly as wide. This is an intensely fragrant, beautifully odd colored rose but definitely not a strong, robust grower in many areas of the country. Much like BUCblue, Blue Skies and Silver Shadows, Dr. Buck selected it for the flower color, NOT the health and vigor of the plant. He'd written he felt like Henry Ford...you could have a rose in any color as long as it was pink. These were such dramatic departures from his body of work, he introduced them. There are MUCH better Buck roses to be had, but the vast majority are PINK.
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I uploaded a member photo, assuming that it would show up on My HelpMeFind page. Where does the photo actually end up?
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It shows up on your member page. Do you not see it there ?
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I see it when I click on 'My Photos' but not when I click on 'My HMF'.
OK, I signed out of my account and then when I clicked on Member Profile the photo was there. So I guess other people can see it... and that's fine with me. :)
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That's interesting... You should be able to see it too. We'll take a look.
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Sold as Monferrato in Italy...
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Jean,
Can you go one better and give us one or more sources in Italy too. Thanks !
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The only place I know of is David Austin 'Italy' which is probably in the UK
http://www.davidaustinroses.com/italian/showrose.asp?showr=5250
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There are many sources for this rose in Italy: Nino Sanremo, Le Rose di Nicola Cavina, Claragarden, Magi Rose....
"Monferrato" is the name of a particular region in nort-west Italy, famous for its good wines.
The rose was chosen for her colour and re-named to promote the area and the wine; plants of 'Monferrato' where planted -in a traditional way- as a leader in grapevine rows in vineyards.
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We're not familiar with the last two nurseries mentioned, can you tell us more.
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